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C o n t i n u i n g   D i s c u s s i o n s (7)

1.Going Platinum
~Jon D. Atwood
~Lois M. Jeary

2.Cash Evolution
~Doug Appleby
~Glen Palo
~John Barbour
~John Olson
~Robert Lee
~Kevin McMillen

~John Olson

4.There is a new SPAMMER in Town/anti-virus software
~Theresa Cahill

5.To MLM or not to MLM
~William Jaroske

~John Yarrow
~Ronald Webb

N e w     P o s t s  (3)

1.Alec Yates

2.Gavin Sams
~How to use internet tools?

3.Debra Glinsey
~Affiliate Programs/help

Site Review Requests   (3)



Site Review Responses   (4)

1.April Waters

2.John Olson

3.John Olson

4.Robert Lee

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.1)=============
From:Jon D. Atwood
Subject:Going Platinum

Steve Pronger wrote:

BTW, you mentioned Going Platinum in the last issue while asking for
opinions on CashEvolution, and  > many readers would recall the heated
discussion on GP some time ago. So, I just thought I'd throw  > in the
fact that GP is not dead. Sorry. Far from it. Members can expect to see
the long-promised
features coming online from July 1, with a full launch expected to
occur on Aug 1. Check the
member's bulletin board for updates.

Steve, I can't believe that ANYONE would still CARE about Going
Platinum.  I understand companies having troubles.  Delaying your launch
by 30 days would be acceptable.  Delaying launch by 90 day could be
forgiven.  What you fail to realize is that as of today, July 3, 2002,
GP is 534 days past their "launch date".  To think that they're still
trying to make something out of that company blows me away.  I've even
seem a few poor schmucks promoting it in recent months.

Here's a little eye opening info on the latest GP news

Warm Regards,
Jon D. Atwood

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.2)=============
From:Lois M. Jeary
Subject:Going Platinum

Hi Bogdan and Fellow Adlanders,

My concern is for Steve Pronger who believes that GP
is still alive and well.
From:Steve Pronger
Subject:Going Platinum

I don't understand how you can say Going Platinum is not
dead.  With the number of lawsuits against him, bank accounts
being seized, no payments made for the computer equipment,
rent is behind in the amount of $174,211.16 (not to mention the
$979,317.29 for the lease) or attorney fees in the amount of
$57,676,42 -- looks like a big problem to me.

-- Going Platinum Update - The Lawsuits Begin to Arrive
The Beginning of the End For Alan Catalan

The bank accounts are seized and I didn't count all the
lawsuits filed against them.  Perhaps you and your group
should do some serious searching and digging for details.
I've included some information about the suits that I trust
will be helpful to you.  I wish you all the best.

Lawsuits against Going Platinum are logged into the Lancaster
court computer under the following numbers
(preceded by '@' in the courthouse database):

@902200672 and @90170671.

Suits against Alan himself are:


and those against Amy are:


Office of the Prothonotary: (2nd Floor, New Courthouse)

Mailing Address :

County of Lancaster
Prothonotary's Office
50 N. Duke St
P.O. Box 83480
Lancaster, Pa. 17608-3480

Dorothy Holt, Chief Deputy Prothonotary
50 N Duke St
Lancaster PA 17602


Lois M. Jeary



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.1)=============
From:Doug Appleby
Subject:Cash Evolution

Hi Adlanders

Jumping on the bandwagon of new "hot" programs reminds me a little of the
feeding frenzy of sharks - some get a good feed, others get eaten. I suspect
that CashEvolution is little more than the latest bucket of blood in the ocean,
and have no doubt that the fishermen wait above, with their hooks well baited.

Last week Andy raised the question of whether differences in laws between New
Zealand and the US would make it possible for there to be no accountability - if
CashEvolution turns out to be a scam or illegal pyramid scheme. I doubt it.
There are many Government and semi-Government Agencies that have an overview on
the offering of Investment advice, and matters of Fair Trading, legal structures
and practices etc.

Our evening news in the past week has featured the arrest of a group of people
for what has been described as New Zealand's biggest ever scam - I didn't see
Mark Joyner in the video shots though, so you can probably relax if you are a
paid CashEvolution member. For the moment anyway.

A good site to see the New Zealand perspective on shady practice is

If you look through the links you will see that operations recently warned by
the Ministry that they may be operating an illegal Pyramid Scheme include Going
Platinum, Payline, Retire Quickly and many others.

It all makes one and 2-tier programs look so much more attractive, doesn't it?

regards, Doug Appleby

a Kiwi, All Black Fan, and
AdlandPro Gold Member (2-tier)


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.2)=============
From:Glen Palo
Subject:Cash Evolution

Hi Bogdan,

First of all I am not going to plug my business.

I checked out Cash Evolution and consider it a workable program if all you
need is an investment vehicle, offshore account or debit/credit card.

If you are joining to make money via spillover, then don't bother unless you
already have a large list of people to whom you can promote the program.

I believe people joining to get the spillover will be sorely disappointed if
they are not near Allen Says', Mark Joyner's or other "guru" in the matrix.
For example, if someone joins on Allen's fifth level, then they will get ONE
spillover person for every 3,125 people that sign up at Allen's website.

Glen Palo

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.3)=============
From:John Barbour
Subject:Cash Evolution

Hi Bogdan and Subscribers,

The discussions in adland are always interesting. Topics quite varied and
certainly differing points of view show up.

I would like to comment on the latest one about cash evolution.

It is new. It is different. Maybe this is why there is so much disparity
between the comments. I cannot see how any one can say there is no
product,only sponsoring. Just look at the stats on the percentage of people
who are self funding and comfortable in retirement. Very Few!!  One of the
biggest reasons is not because they have not earned enough money but that
they mismanaged their money. Money management and investment training go
hand in hand. One of the products in greatest demand around the world today
is investment training or education. This is not investment advising or
persuading one to invest in a particular stock. It is training about how to
evaluate risk. What to look out for and what makes a good or bad investment.

This is training that is important. What one does with that training is
another story. Cashevolution is providing that training.

Two points that I have not seen mentioned are :-

There are many people trying to make living on the net, who do not live in
the USA. For us an offshore account is extremely useful because it costs us
a packet every time we have to cash our earnings. An off shore account
solves this problem. Secondly it gives us a holding spot so we can change
our money when the best exchange rates happen. Another income source if done
properly, and back in our control!

The second point is that whatever business one looks at, there will be those
that do well and those that don't. Because Cashevolution is talking about
investments, it should not be put in the basket of shares only. And because
shares are doing badly at present is therefore a bad business. As with any
form of business, investing is not only about shares, or the US stock
market. It is global. It is very variable and encompasses many things. I
know people who are making good money out of investing right now. Even in

Business is about learning and changing strategies to improve. As an example
take Art. Many very good Artists hardly make enough money from one painting,
to be able to frame the next. The successful ones have to think of value
adding and marketing their work. Take my wife, an excellent artist, to
improve her return on her work she has put many of her paintings into Cards
and Prints, thus increasing the return on each painting. See her site, .

In any venture, be it business or comments, we need to do our best to get
all the facts. Even then we will be correct in some things and incorrect on
others. I believe Cashevolution is a bold and very worthwhile program.
Contrary to many comments I feel it has a very valuable product. Will be
around for a long time. Gives anyone the chance to learn how to maximise
their earning power and build an investment for their future with as little
risk as possible. To be able to start investing with such a minimum amount,
earn money in different ways and have an offshore account and global debit
card is an absolute God Send to thousands. May be more so for those outside
US. But thousands anyway. I say well done Cashevolution.

Keep the discussions going. Adlands is the best forum. Thanks to all of you
for your contributions.
Yes I am in Cashevolution.     It's

John Barbour



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.4)=============
From:John Olson
Subject:Cash Evolution


I am not going to add to much to what others have said about CashEvolution, but
one thing you used as an example I have to comment on. You went on and on about
the infomercial and the scam it was. And all that is true, I remember reading
about it a long time ago. But to compare CashEvolution with this outfit is

There are no add on sales as with that outfit. The cost is $25 a month. Once you
have 3 people under you, placed there by you or someone else, your cost is
covered. Only after you have reached a certain level, is anything withheld for
investing. And then only 10% if I remember right. And you will have the choice
of where and how to place it. You do have the option to add more of your own
money into the pot, but that's up to you.

As for the US Stock Market problems, I suggest you read through the
CashEvolution site a little closer as to what kind of investments they will be
offering. And in the long run, the Market always goes up. May dip from time to
time, but long term it's is still a good place to have some of your money in.
And with the education you will get as a member of CashEvolution, you will
better understand where and how to invest in it.

Time will tell the story of CashEvolution, but your comparison is not it.

Have fun,

John Olson

It's Your Money. It's Your Time.


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.5)=============
From:Robert Lee
Subject:Cash Evolution

I did take a few moments to look at this MLM program, one of the latest to
help people create a wealth for themselves by selling the principles to
someone else.
I think that is actually the definition of MLM, selling the principle idea
of the program to someone so that you can make a $$ and then they sell the
idea to someone and you both make a $$ and so on.
The unfortunate side of the Internet is that a program like this easily
crosses boundaries, Visa cards and Mastercards are accepted for payment.
Everyone should know how to invest for themselves for their future. You
cannot be reliant on any future pensions to help you maintain the lifestyle
that you currently enjoy (or are working towards enjoying!) in your
retirement years that are provided by your government. Should someone join
this program because it appears as such a solution?
Am I convinced that it is a "worry-free" and scamproof program, because they
have the "ScamReport Seal Of Approval" on their website?
Look at this "Seal Of Approval" on the ScamReport website (complete with
spelling errors and such:
UPDATE CASHEVOLUTION!!!.. They are getting everything taken care of.. I new
that they had allot of growing pains and that they had some computer
problems. Most companies that get as much traffic as they do usually do.. in
the beginning. They have answered all our requests promptly and are takening
care of the clients in Question... I would like to suggest to all of our
Readership to stay patients when dealing with New most cases
they will get the problem rectified...
The above was copied from this page:
And this website,, has been online since May 10 2002...

Any bells going off yet?

I must admit, the addition of the "Verisign" seal adds a lot to the
Cashevolution web site. Not many people will realize that it only means that
they use an authenticated secure server to take your credit card payment.
Where are the Better Business Bureau seals.....Did I miss them? Or are they

And as Andy Sparks so well puts it... "Here in the USA, if you are found
guilty of fraud or running a scam and your money is held off-shore there are
some stiff mandatory sentences that apply."
I'm not sure about Canada, but I'll ask my investment broker about it too.

William Jaroske adds: You need to know the plan, how it works, what it is
suppose to do, and you have to believe in the product and concept for it to
work. Well, everybody is in it for the money and not the science of service
and so the saying goes."

And after a few minutes searching, here is the crux of the Cashevolution
product line (which really isn't hidden anywhere special, it just seems that
way to me):
Will CASHevolution be providing us with information about each fund and
performance in advance of our investment?  Yes information will be posted in
the Members Lounge about the up and coming investment funds. A brief
description including performance history will be included for each of the 3
funds on offer. Copied from:
I am sure that any local investment broker will be more than happy to
provide to you 3 investment opportunities monthly, at no charge, rather than
the US$25.00 a month offered here.

And if I understand this program right, you are joining at US$25.00 a month
for investment information. But when (notice I said 'when' not 'if') you
have enticed 3 others to join through your own special URL your monthly
membership fee is paid by your referral fees and you will start earning
US$1.00 a month to invest in the funds that you are paying information
about. Since they are selling access to information "about" investments and
not the investments themselves, they will not be breaking many (if any)
securities regulations. But I would also bet that somewhere they will earn a
commission (buying or selling) if you actually do invest in their
recommended funds. Member bonuses also include an offshore bank account and
payment card. To stash and have access to the "maximum of $ 8,940.00
USD/month" you can earn.
Ahhh well.... You have the opportunity to choose your own income and
investment plans. Are they that much more realistic because they are MLM or
Internet based?
Steve Pronger mentioned that one of my favorite MLM's is still alive, "Going
Platinum". Hi Steve, is the money coming in well for you? Are the Going
Platinum services what you expected and waited for so long up to par?
As 'The Who' so eloquently sang "We won't get fooled again!"
Happy selling!
Robert Lee

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.6)=============
From:Kevin McMillen
Subject:Cash Evolution

Hi Bogdan,

As you requested in the Adland Digest, please allow me to
explain CASHevolution. I'll bet your email inbox is going to
get hammered with responses from this request of yours,
but I can give you an excellent review of the CASHevolution

I'm Kevin McMillen CEO of The Rock-n-Resources Center

Better yet, I think Mark Joyner's personal review of the
Company and operations right straight from Auckland,
New Zealand where Mark has spent the last two weeks
evaluating the program for himself and all his members
that he recommends the program to.

He "could not in good conscience recommend anything but
the most lucrative and stable opportunity to our members,"
his words not mine.

Guess What? He has joined and my immediate upline are
Allen Says from Internet Marketing Warriors & Mark Joyner -
Two of the greatest Marketeers on the Net! Imagine the Spill
Over coming from them!! Anyway, on with the review.

The question on everyone's mind is:
"What's the big deal with this thing?"

Is it the spillover?

What about the product?

I don't know much about investment clubs, or offshore bank
accounts, but I do know that Mark Joyner is not going to lay
his million dollar rep on the line for some fly-by-night scam.

I joined for that reason alone! But I can afford $25 and I know
how to market on the net. You might need more than that.
You can join for free and study the members area before
deciding to pay.



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (3.1)=============
From:John Olson


You wrote about linking and offered a suggestion of using Links4Trade. While
this maybe a good service, it has been my understanding that Search Engines do
not act kindly toward Link pages that are hosted outside of the main domain. No
matter how well you can make the page look like one of your pages, it is still
on another domain and you could be penalized for it. That's why, even though
it's more work, my Links page is on my domain and not someone else's.

Just my 2 cents,

John Olson

It's Your Money. It's Your Time.
God Bless the USA. 9-11-2001


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (4.1)=============
From:Theresa Cahill
Subject:There is a new SPAMMER in Town/anti-virus software

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Just a quick note to tell you about an organization formed
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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (5.1)=============
From:William Jaroske
Subject:To MLM or not to MLM

Hi Bogdan,

Well this happens in everyday life where a person adds
these questions in their presentation. "why aren't you
making a six figure income or why are you paying so
much for health insurance?"

Although they are provocative questions with some hype.
But it can lead to a greater number of answers along
with more questions. When anyone who does not ask the
right questions pertaining to opportunities will
always hears the wrong answers. And making the
question unclear will receive an infinite number of
answers. Take the term of talking about money,
business, and cash flow. If we have ask how much money
a person is making and that was your very first
question you asked. the person on the receiving end
will wonder if your just in it for the money only.

John Olson made a valid point when talking about MLM.
The catch 22 was good. Now if people want to talk
about , what are you making on this. they missed the
point. I much rather discuss the benefits, the
products, and useful tools and software before I get
in the money parts.

Your certainly would pull the stunt in a job interview
so why even bother. The main reason is lookie loo's.
you know, the kind of people drive it around the block
and kick the tires. I'm sure everyone has this
problem.  Even Cathy Wagner at One Stop Internet
Business. Mike Fisher state why MLM's fold is the lack
of compensation plan, poor product, and shoddy
systems. Well that's pretty funny coming from a
person Who's in a high priced plan. My guess you knew
some pretty gullible people to get where you are.

Which brings me to this question where lookie loo's
always asks "Oh, is that a pyramid scheme?" When you
think about this factor. Every corporation and
organization is designed like that in a way. You get
the owner on top, Management in the middle, and the
workers on the bottom. When placed on a graph, you
have a triangle. It's base on a mathematical formula on
how every business operates. With out it, there will
be mass confusion.

On a MLM stand point. Anita Foley added this on
finding the right MLM.
- A company with useful consumable products
- Products you personally feel passionate about
- Product that you could sell evenif there was no MLM
- reasonable prices
- Good product, pay plan, support system
- Unscrupulous integrity of company founders
End quote

Well Anita, I don' go for good. I look for the best.
You later said if you can find all things in one
company, You've hit the MLM jack pot. I believe I did
just that and the opportunity is CCI. For more
information you should read further of review my
website at

What CCI offers is unlimited autoresponders, rewards
and benefits with residaul earnings. Proprietary CCI
software the PROMOTEUR. Online training so you can
market any website you have, and alot more coming in
the near future.

William Jaroske

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (6.1)=============
From:John Yarrow

This is not a direct site review as I did not go to this site.  It is
however a response about frames.
Regarding: question regarding frames at
Lorraine ask:

"My big question is about frames. Are framed sites really as bad as I

Good question and I am not sure I have all the answers, however I have
been designing with frames lately and have noticed through reviews here
and some things that I have come across personally in the process.

It basically has to do with search engines,  accessing different parts
of the site directly and book marking, or favorites.  So here is my two
cents worth and I am sure others will concur or have a dime or so more
for ya, and good luck with your venture..

The first thing to note is what most search engines look for when
indexing a site, including page titles, keywords, metta title, meta
keywords, headings, links, text on the page that relates to there search
and other factors depending on the search engine.

If you do coding you know that the way frames are created is you take an
html page and create a template for the page telling it the size of your
frames and the individual pages that make up the content of the frames.
You then name this index.html and usually make it your home page.  The
problem is that the sub pages that go in these frames can still have
meta tags, titles and the like to say what the individual page are
about, however the headings, text and titles are not directly view able
on the coding of your home page.

So for instance on a site I have been developing there are different
products on each page, however when you look at the source code through
the view code at the top menu, no matter what page your on you will see
only the source page for the frame template. So depending on how each
search engine works with frames,  you MAY make it more confusing for
these automated spiders, as there called, to index your site.  You need
to consider if the benefits of whatever the frames are giving you is
worth the risk..

The question is how far do the spiders that index sites go, or if you
submit your index.html to a search engine directly will the content be
considered relevant enough to give you a good ranking, considering none
of the text or headings for the sub pages are there..

I think to frame or not to frame, has a lot to do with what you are
selling or promoting.  If you sell products or services that pretty much
relates to a single theme such as clocks, or how to win at marketing and
then the other pages are just a deeper look at the topic or theme from
your main page, then it may be ok.

If you surf the net look at the types of SUCCESSFUL sites that use
frames.  It seems they are usually web based e-mail or single products
or products that relate to a strong theme.

The strength of frames is it allows you to keep you main feel and menu
and or heading on the page at all times even while a page loads.  Also
if you link to other sites  you can have them open in your frame keeping
them at your url.  It may also save some load time and creates code that
you do not have to recreate on every page.

The cons are they may not be as search engine friendly for sites with
multiple different products with different themes.  It is also more
difficult to refer somebody to any of the sub pages, maintaining the
look and structure of the other pages on the site without creating extra
coding.  Also most browsers "add to favorites" will only save the
template page not the page they are viewing making it possibly harder
for a person to get back to the page they were interested in because it
will brings them instead back to you home page only.

I have only designed one site with frames.  After considering all this I
will probably redesign it without.  The only real advantage for me was
"I thought it was cool!"  As far as coding goes I can use server side
includes to do about the same thing and have individual pages that I can
better optimize for search engines.  Also the favorites work better and
advertising to a section of my site is easier to handle.

You need to ask yourself, what will the frames do to better my message,
navigation, or reason to act on your request to buy or act on what you
are saying.  If you cannot find a benefit, in my opinion, DON'T USE

Well enough gobbledygook, hope this helps.

John Yarrow


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (7.1)=============
From:Ronald Webb

Michele Newman wrote:

t has been my experience that people who are as defensive as Ronald Webb have
been caught in a lie, or are hiding something. The people who have joined his
affiliate program have very likely not seen his protests here, in Adland Digest.
I believe they do not even know him at all.
Ronald, you obviously cannot take any type of criticism, even if it will help
you out. If you didn't want an honest review, why even ask? The only thing you
have learned about Robert Lee is that he tells it like it is, and you can't
handle that. I think it is time for you to step down from your soap box and
start acting like an adult. There are people subscribed to this digest that want
good, honest informative content, not to be cluttered with the babblings of cry

Michele Newman

Hello Michele,

It's nice to meet you. While I realize that you don't know me and I don't know
you, let me share a little about myself with you and the other Adland Digest
readers. Please understand that my integrity is important to me, as I am sure
that your integrity is important to you. In fact sometimes our integrity is all
we have. This is especially true when we are looking to do business with
people whom we have never met and would like to make a good
"first impression".

I felt that in the last couple of issues of Adland Digest my integrity was
called into question for no real reason. As a result I responded in an angry
tone with those individuals. That was out of character for me. So to the other
Adland Digest readers, I apologize.

Please understand, I have a passion for helping people. That passion is only
fuelled by the need for solid information to enable people to become more
successful as entrepreneurs on the Internet.  I do so by sharing the extensive
information contained in my website, I honestly feel that
I have created an opportunity for people to learn about advertising and
marketing techniques from some of the brightest minds on the Internet. All the
time while earning money by sharing the information with others. This to me is a
"win-win situation". Wouldn't you agree?

Michele, it's unfortunate that you probably "overlooked" my agreement with and
thanks to Robert Lee for pointing out that my website should have information
about who I am. As a result of that critique, I am currently in the

process of correcting that oversight. Michele, I think that you and I both can
now "step down from this soapbox" and be about the business of helping people
become more successful. We can do that by sharing good information, such as that
found here in the Adland Digest, and by assisting them in the evaluation of
their websites  and respective business opportunities.

I wish you much success.


Ronald Webb


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==============N e w P o s t i n g  (1)=============
From:Alec Yates

I'm still kinda new to advertising or marketing or is it the same term? To
tell people about your product or service online,to me it's still the
greatest thing ever invented!
Or since the birth of the telephone.
But couple of things bother me,when trying to advertise a product or service.

Many times when i submit my art website to directories,ffa
,or just art related sites,i almost always get a autoresponder telling:"thank
you for submitting to my site". Very polite and it continues to tell me
that:"i saw your site and have it bookmarked" and right after that they try
to sell you their product or service lol.
Has this happen to anybody else?
My art website:

Also it seems very diffcult to talk/email to real people online. Unless you
go into a chat room,i haven't been in a chat room in months. Interesting
thing i sold my first painting to a person in a chat room.
But these days i still get my website out there and also telling people the
importance of another website. and this site just tells people how
you can afford a attorney.

As great as online advertising is we can't forget how things were before
AOL,i guess if you have something to share with the online community,i wish
us all luck,patience
and success!

Alec Yates


==============N e w P o s t i n g  (2)=============
From:Gavin Sams
Subject:How to use internet tools?

In reference to using links with other Adlander's websites, I can't wait
to. But now I'm having an extremely difficult time piecing my website together
! I understand the process of applying knowledge after operations, but with
all the tools handed out at once, in what order should they be applied ?
Right now my website puzzle is scrambled. Has anyone else experienced any
difficulty at all putting theirs together ? Or am I the only one ?
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==============N e w P o s t i n g  (3)=============
From:Debra Glinsey
Subject:Affiliate Programs/help

I have an affiliate program located here and already have 10 affiliates,
but do not no where to go from here.  Not one has brought in a sale in the last
6 months.

I would like a few people to read it to see how it sounds and would you sign up
after reading it?

Once you get affiliates, how do you motivate them and keep them motivated to
make sales.  Is there information somewhere to help you to learn to motivate?
If there is will someone please point me in the right direction.

I know that I should start an opt-in list for them but where do I find the
information to send to them and for myself.  Should I send them the information
on all new products?  Do I advertise it like I do the other part of the site?
Where are the places to advertise affiliate program?  Any information that you
can share will be most appreciated.


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next ezine or whenever possible...

Can this request be made and if so can you notify me as when I can read the

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=====================Site Review Response  (1)===============
From:April Waters

I have never done a site review before and believe me when I
say I am not the best speller in the world but this person
really needs to check his spelling. Here are a few examples:

learn many ways to sale--should be spelled, sell

all say the something- should be two words, same thing

sale a doll then it is to sale a webpage- there is that sell
word again.

never here from me again-  should be hear

if your still interested-  should be you are or you're

the tracking number-  should be tracking

offer ends 6/23/02...I looked at site on 7/2/02 sure wouldn't
have done me any good even if I had been interested in it.

I seem to get the impression that who ever made the website is
in the early learning stages of HTML. There is no real layout
of the page, paragraphs are too long and not enough spacing.

The background colour left my eyes seeing different shades when
I left the page, may need to make it a more neutral colour.

Please understand, I am not a web designer, will never claim to
be. I am actually a cheater because I use templates but I
understand how hard it is out there to make a living online and
the first thing I do notice is poor grammar. It may not bother
others but this is just my opinion.

April Waters




=====================Site Review Response  (2)===============
From:John Olson


I for one think you have done a wonderful job with the site. If you had a
Favorites Links page I would ask for a trade.

I was going to say that this is one of those sites that you really don't need to
know the person who built it. But as I thought about it, I think it might be
nice to add a, "Lorraine Innes Welcomes You to Marco Island Florida."

The other thing I noticed is you used Microsoft FrontPage and there are no Meta
Tags. If you can add them, it might help the Search Engine thing. Other then
that, the only thing I can say is maybe a picture or two on some of the pages.
For example, your page, "About the Island." When I clicked the link, I was
hopping to see one of those beautiful swaying palm tree island kind of things.
That page and maybe the "Recreation" page. Some small pictures would help us to
see the FUN we can have if we go there. I notice you do have some pages with
just pictures and for the most part that's great. But just on those two pages, I
would put one nice, "Wouldn't you love to be here?" picture. And on the other,
some small pictures of the fun we could be having on the island and off it.

Sorry I can't answer the frames questions. I am sure Robert or someone will.

Take care and nice job.

John Olson

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=====================Site Review Response  (3)===============
From:John Olson


Not a bad site for a first time. I would have someone you know who speaks and
writes English well proof it for you. I noticed the link for Webdesign is not
working, the other two did though.

The other thing I wonder about, who are you aiming the site at? If it's just
other marketers, fine. But if you want to reach everyone, you should not be so
focused on what I call "Tool" programs. These are programs to help people market
other programs. I noticed the Cognigen banners at the top of the pages. My guess
is you are an agent with them. That is the prefect program for just about
anyone. Your friends down the street will not know what to make of a
BuildReferrals or Cutting Edge, but saving money on their phone bills will ring
a bell, so to speak.

The ones you highlight, are not the kinds of things most people will join, let
alone understand, normal people anyway. As you say, there are many opportunities
on the Web, look for some more that the every man will understand and join and
you will do much better. Or put your main focus on Cognigen and then offer your
marketing "Tools."

The E-mail for more information is a good idea. And I do like the site name,
"@ccess -data" very clever. And the Free download book is a good way to make
friends, though you might make that the reason for them to ask for more
information. Tell them you will give them the book if they fill in the form.
Then put the link for the book on the first message they get. But now you have
people on a mailing list and you can contact them with your offers. Until they
opt out that is, always give them the option to not get anymore E-mails from

I just noticed the Danish site is laid out a little differently. Not a reader of
Danish, I can't make too many comments about it. But it looks like you have
divide that site up into more separate pages then the English version. You might
follow your own example with the English site.

Also, you are using a pop under to promote yet another opportunity. I would put
this on the main site and use the pop under for a last chance to sign up for you
mailing list.

Good luck,

John Olson

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=====================Site Review Response  (4)===============
From:Robert Lee

Lorraine Innes:
My site is at I would like to know what your
reviewers think of my site.  My daughter and I built the site.  We are not
professionals. This is our first and one and only site.  It is an ongoing
process and we make changes and add to the site as time goes on.  My big
question is about frames. Are framed sites really as bad as I read?

Hi Lorraine,
I am always willing to take a peek and see how stuff looks, so I went to visit
your site and have to say:

The reason why so many people hate frames used to be that Netscape couldn't
render them the same way the IE browser does. Thus there was all types of coding
errors, poor layouts, mis-directed links and such.

On your site you have a 3 frame set-up where a 2 frame would suffice. If you
to keep "Marco Island Beachfront Condo Rentals" as your header, create a header
and place the code on every page. It's not really that much work.

As far as that goes, it's not really that much work to create a table and have
the left column contain all of your navigational links, the top row contain your
header and lose all of the frames totally. The plus is that now your site will
be spidered better because you now have content on each page, not links to
farmed in pages. Better spidering, better search engine rankings.

As far as visual design, lose the sunset. Your opening page should be a
image-oriented description of what you are making available for someone's
vacation. We want to see pictures of where we will be staying, what the outside
is, what the inside is, what the nearby features, are in that order. We don't
want to have to hunt for them. A link description as "Apt. 304/Rates" doesn't
tell me that this is where the pictures are. Tell me where the pictures are!
Where are the pictures?

Show me a picture of a view from the balcony and tell me: this view $725-850.00
a week.
Or even $105.00 per week based on 6 person occupancy.
And your pictures have no ALT tags.
Finish your images with the ALT tags. add more descriptions about the pictures
so that when I hover my mouse over them I can continue reading about what I am
seeing. That would be great!

Lose the awards page.
Regardless about what you may have heard, there are very few awards that will
distinguish your web site from your competition and the ones you have chosen do
not do that at all. Including the one that won't let go, the 1 Simple Guide
Bronze award. Just click on it, get redirected to yet another site and try to
get back to yours. Impossible.

Also, lose the visitor counter. they always look bad unless the counter is in
the millions and if it was like that I'd figure that you were booked for the
next 2 years, so why bother trying??

The same goes with the site update date. who cares? What changes about your
site? What should change? Are you telling me that the rates just changed on June
27 2002?


And the email address.. It should be a domain address, not a hotmail address..
You just lost my confidence.

I remember when Sheila and I were looking for a place to honeymoon. We had
decided on Mexico, but where in Mexico do you go? We started online, checking
out the various web sites that list opinions of places. We went to the travel
agent's and narrowed down our choices then went back online and rechecked what
we had seen/read. The pictures made available played a big part of what we chose
our destination from. (Once our budget had been set.)

These things should be your priority.

Your pictures should be front and foremost. A really nice photo gallery would
work well. Take a look at this page and see how this type of gallery could work
for you:
Coded through Front Page 2002.

You should also take a look at your FAQ page:
This is a perfect example of where a picture equals a thousand words. Add some
pictures. Lose some words.

Your visitor stay information and rates should be more easily found.
Contact information should be relevant to your site and include a toll-free
number as well. They really aren't that expensive considering what you are
renting. Look into it.

Recommendations mean nothing unless they include the person's email/phone
number. Really. This is the web, not everything you read is the truth.

I hope that this helps.

Happy renting!

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The One Vital Web Design Element That Virtually No One Is Telling You About
ByDoug Parr

You've probably seen articles that cover the "Top Ten Web Design
Mistakes" or something to that effect.  They all seem to say the
same things, don't they?  No animation, keep the appearance
professional, use easy navigation, and so on.  You've done
everything those articles told you to do, but your site still
isn't making the progress you'd like.  What's wrong?

You know, out of all the ebooks I've seen - and all the articles
on Web design I've read - one thing is rarely mentioned.  You
would think, since this element is absolutely vital to any Web
site's success, that it would be the talk of the town.  That one
vital element is... your customer.

Before you read another article or ebook on Web site design,
consider these facts:

* Your customer is the reason you are in business.
* Your customer pays your bills.
* Your Web site should be specifically and intentionally designed
to meet your customer's every need.
* In order to design your site to meet his/her needs, you must
first know who your customer is.

Once you discover who your perfect customer is, and what needs
he/she is looking to you to fill, you can apply all those other
techniques in the "Top Ten Web Design Mistakes" articles with
great success.  But the questions remain - "Who is your target
customer" and "What does he/she want from you"?

It's simple really.  Just ask a few questions like:

* What types of customers visit my site?
* What is the common denominator of all these site visitors?
* What brings them to the point of needing my products/services?
* What problems do my products/services solve for my visitors?

The answers to all these questions will reveal an amazing
portrait of your customers, of what they want, and of how you can
supply what they need.

When you implement your design, or make changes to your existing
design, do EVERYTHING with your target customer in mind.  Does
your site design need to be "fun" or "business-like"?  That
depends on whether your visitors are looking to fill a need for
entertainment or professional services.  Should you use vibrant
pink and lime green shades, or muted blues and grays?  Senior
citizens would most likely shy away from "fad-ish" colors, but
teenagers wouldn't get very excited over dark, drab tones.  See?
It all depends on your customer.  Every decision you make about
your Web site design should focus on and revolve around one
thing... your customer.

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written, I'll just ask that you go back and read those "Top Ten
Web Design Mistakes" articles once more.  But... this time, apply
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