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C o n t i n u i n g   D i s c u s s i o n s (9)

1.Is Adlands Ezine  Repulsive?
~Robert Lee

2.Cash Evolution
~John Olson
~Adrian Elman
~John Olson
~William Jaroske
~John Olson
~John Olson

~Adrian Elman
~Linda Rogers

6.Spam has me stumped
~Walter Lyons

7.My firsrt ezine article
~John Olson
~Andrew Fuetterer
~Robert Lee

8.There is no quick and easy way to search engine success
~Anita Cohen-Williams

9.An honest effort if you have your own Web Site
~Robert Lee

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.1)=============
Subject:Is Adlands Ezine is Repulsive?

Hello All Eziners,

I have to disagree that adlands ezine is repulsive. In fact its the best
one for resources and opinions on the internet and I have been a
member for many years. Most other ezines are crammed full
of ADs and not articles and members letters and resources.

Its good to get a early warning on potential scams out. I've been
done by so much bad practice and fraud over the years. My
last one was rabbitconnection. I joined and 2 days later cancelled
and asked for a refund. I never got my money back nor did
I get any replies at all back. Companies like these should
be wiped out sooner then later, as bad sites damages US all
running legal sites and other qualities services on the web. Paypal
wont even force a refund. it really sucked.. all they said was
contact the FBI website LOL. but anyhow pays to complain
so if they get others they close down their accounts even if you
lost your money.

I say if the site ADMIN answers emails its a good sign but
if the promise and promise then that's a bad site again
and to reconsider using them. So before you join a MLM
send a email asking something to see if they reply.
If no reply then don't join. To me that's a sign of a badly managed
site and to not hand over cash.

Ezines are a way of doing this. Alert the public on bad dealings
before it gets worse so less are caught up and hurt from it.
Money is hard to come by.. and is not could its lost and wasted.

I use adlandpro to get some leads to my Referralswap Downline
Club and have found them to be better them many other
lead generation service.

Cheers Paul

Manager of ReferralSwap and ABMA
Promotions LTD.


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.2)=============
From:Robert Lee
Subject:Is Adlands Ezine is Repulsive?

There are those that can and those that want.

Douglas Goodin is obviously in the "want section".

We can only hope that he opens his wallet, not learning anything from the
"repulsive" posts that are here and he loses his shirt.

Let him search for the information that was once at hand and has now lost,
him unknowingly discounting what we share here.

Let him be buried in SPAM so deep that his ISP disconnects him.

Let him request a website review.

Robert Lee

Eventually LackOfInterest Takes Over


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.1)=============
From:John Olson
Subject:Cash Evolution


I never said:

<<CE is the greatest thing on the planet.

While I jumped in the pool with the rest when this launched, I would not
consider myself a lemming. I have looked this over, I have downloaded the
first of the products and I have liked what I have seen. By the time you
read this, their integrated browser will be on my computer and I will be
using it. I am looking forward to it. And I am looking forward to more
information every month.

As for the WWSN and the person who runs it, what can I say. It may have
started out as a good idea, but it has developed into a fun house. It's a
joke. They look for scams and if they can't find them out right and can't
get all the information they want from a company, they label it a scam
anyway. They belittle the people who are involved with companies they are
sure are scams or garbage. They don't leave any room for honest discussion.
They are right because they say so, because they have been right before.
There are other sites on the Web to check out programs, I don't waste my
time going to the WWSN.

I find this quote from Cynthia Holmes this week is very interesting. It
would seem to put to bed all or most of the cries of, "They are not
registered to sell securities." Let's read through part of it again:

<CASHevolution will not be selling securities or providing
<investment advice. Rather, it will bring to the table
<opportunities through third-party financial institutions
<that are licensed to sell securities. Each fund will have
<one or more professional financial managers, whose
<job it is to maintain the value of the fund. Subscribers
<who are not participating in our affiliate program may
<still participate in the investment program as this
<will be voluntary.

I am sure you will have written something about this by the time this is
read. Something about it not being what the Website said. I say so what,
Maybe they are just complying with government regulations and making the
necessary changes. All sounds fine to me.

Time will tell if CE makes it or not, but one thing it is not, is a scam.

John Olson

It's Your Money. It's Your Time.


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.2)=============
From:Adrian Elman
Subject:Cash Evolution

In response to Cynthia Holmes:

You quoted:
"The Investment Process
CASHevolution is in the process of establishing an
investment module designed to provide subscribers
with monthly exposure to institutionalized investment
opportunities. This module will be released once
securities compliance has been obtained."

And then went on to say:

"CASHevolution will not be selling securities or providing
investment advice. Rather, it will bring to the table
opportunities through third-party financial institutions
that are licensed to sell securities."

This second statement appears to be a contradiction
of the first. They are telling you that they have to get
registered with the NZ Securities Commission and in
the very next breath say they don't need to because
they won't be giving you any advice.

I don't believe the law will see it their way. If they are
passing on investment advice from a 3rd party then
they too need to be registered, especially as their
whole business is supposed to be based on that as
their product. However they also said this:

"the team at CASHevolution has to ensure that the
program is compliant with Securities Legislation and,
therefore, could be subject to delays beyond our control."

Interestingly, they still haven't made any attempt to
register with the NZ Commerce Commission so it
looks like the delays are well within their control.

Adrian Elman


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.3)=============
From:John Olson
Subject:Cash Evolution


<<Yesterday I found and joined a CE team that seems the most
promising and fair:  rotates your CE sign-up link in a way
that maximizes you most profitable downline levels ($8 and $11),
and also everybody gets a fair chance >>

I think you had better give yourself a wake up pill. Sorry, but expecting
something like this to work and work well, is like going fishing with a
straight pin. It's always possible a fish will get stuck on the pin but
highly unlikely.

I guess it works like this, everyone is given a replicated website with a
rotating CE URL links. Everyone is supposed to promote the Website so
everyone has a chance at getting sign ups. Is that about it?

Who is going to fall for this? The person who can't promote. The person who
has no idea how to promote. The person who expects someone else to do
everything for them.

And who's CE downline gets built for them?

The people who started this get their downline built for them, that's who.

Because only a few who join can promote or will promote, the program is
going to be slowed down very quickly once the group reaches the lower
levels. It is going to be the same with any of these CE build your downline
things that have popped up.

Best advice, learn how to promote CE yourself and do it. Never rely on
anyone to build your business for you.

John Olson

It's Your Money. It's Your Time.


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.4)=============
From:William Jaroske
Subject:Cash Evolution

Hi Bogdan, Hi all,

My god, this is certainly pitiful about EMM, CE, GP, FSC, and dozens of
other quick fads out there. So many have lost money and been let down. Most
been scammers tirelessly only to face a bleak future.

I said it once and I'll say it again. If it looks like a duck, walks like a
duck, and quacks like a duck. Its a duck. Make no mistake about it. was even
contacted by get rich quick gurus from health and nutrition to at home
telesales only to see a known scam. 9 out of 10 are bad sales people
presenting their plan so unrealistly that its too good to be true.

There are many that make it a business to sucker people making a few
dollars. So if your not investing in excellence. You got yourself to blame.

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.5)=============
Subject:Cash Evolution

Hi Bogdan and Readers,
I have been receiving Adland Digest for many  months now and I finally have
the courage to write in myself.
As the subject of Cash Evolution has turned slightly towards the downline
clubs promoting it I have something to say here as I run one such downline
club myself.
I started the club shortly after joining CE, and until then I had not seen
any others. My reason for starting a club was simply to attract referrals.
I've tried a few opportunities before and not been successful. I saw CE as a
good opportunity and was determined to build a downline.
I was already aware of the concept of downline clubs, being a member of
Buildreferrals (no of referrals =3). However, these type of downline clubs
tend to promote many programs and you have to rely on others to sign up to
your programs after signing up to your downline club. Good idea, but they
haven't worked for me. So I thought, what about a club that promotes just
one program, in my case CE?
At first I thought I'd offer three free referrals to everyone who joined my
club, but even though my math is not excellent I soon realised what a task
this would become. So I kept things realistic. I make no false promises. I
ask people to join and then advertise just one website, which I built. Then
everyone who joins the club through that website becomes a referral for
another member in CE. I use a simple method for sharing referrals. By using
a database I send a new referral to the person with the least no of
referrals (generally, the last person to join), then the next new referral
is sent to the member who has waited the longest time to receive a new
My club is growing slowly but I'm happy with the results. I communicate
regularly with my club members and feel I have built a community who all
work together. All I ask of my members is that they advertise our website,
and they do...and they get lots of praise from me for doing so.

It is true that I expect my club members to promote the site as if they were
promoting their own CE site. However, because of the nature of the site it
attracts many more people. As the club grows bigger it does become more
difficult to find new referrals, but more members mean more advertising and
there is always someone new to attract.

I tell my members not to expect amazing results from my club. I cannot
promise them three new referrals in three weeks or such. What I can give
them is a community in which we can work together, communicate together and
succeed together. Unfortunately, since these other clubs have started up
with stunning promises of success, I get a lot of enquiries from people who
expect me to be able to do the same. Some simply assume that by joining
through my club they will have a large downline in no time. It just doesn't
work like that, and I just don't see how these other clubs can promise so




===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (3.1)=============
From:John Olson


I have looked over both of these programs and this is what I think:

I have seen this many times lately. I have an E-zine owner promoting the
heck out of this as the second coming almost. I have not joined it. I don't
need it and I think it is to risky. I also don't like the fact that I have
to pay to even promote it. Even if I don't use the service. I can get any
number of affiliate ISP programs that will pay me for sign ups, why should I
pay them just to market? I know I have joined something's that make you pay
to market before, but something about this, just doesn't seem right to me.

There was another Pay you ISP a while back, no not GP. Something like
iconnect or something like that. Anyway, you were supposed to make money
offering their ISP service too. Where are they today? Somewhere, but no one
is promoting them. I think with ISP/VIP you run the risk of the same thing

I won't say it is going to fail, I just have a funny feeling about it. I
wouldn't put all my hopes on it. I hope I am wrong here and I hope it goes
great for you.

John Olson

It's Your Money. It's Your Time.


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (4.1)=============
From:John Olson

Desk Top Money Machine has been around a little while and have seen it. I
can't comment to much on it as I have not looked it over as much as I have
ISP/VIP. Looking it over briefly, it seems to offer a lot of tools to
promote, mostly it's self. But then that is every tool program. If someone
needs the services they offer, it's not TO bad a deal, $2 a day, $15 a
month, $45 for the 90 days you pay for membership.  But you can sign up for
free and see if it is something to just use or something you want to market.
Maybe someone who has been in this will reply with more thoughts.

I do wish you luck with both though,

John Olson

It's Your Money. It's Your Time.


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (5.1)=============
From:Adrian Elman

In response to John Olson:

"If you were still a member you would have read
Alan talking about GP paying the money owed
pass employees."

Yes John and he failed to honour the agreement
he made with them. This is the 3rd time he has
done that. I have no doubt that ex-GP employees
will write to Adland to give their account of what
promises Alan has made and how many he has
kept to.

"As for what Alan owes and who he owes it to.
I wonder where this information came from. Not
saying it's wrong, I just wonder what the source is."

It comes from the County Court at Lancaster as
well as the Bureau of Compliance for Pennsylvania.
You will find copies of all legal documents at

"Revenue is growing for the Company as a whole."

Pray tell where you got that idea from? Premier
forum activity showed 178 members active as at
August 29th. Given that many will read and never
post, let's say that realistically twice that sum are
visiting the forum. Free members don't have their
own forum as yet but they are notorious for doing
nothing as with no personal investment they have
nothing to motivate them.

>From all outward appearances it looks as though
GP has 500 or less active members which would
account for Alan's refusal to add the GP auction.
And it certainly isn't enough to satisfy advertisers
which therefore begs the question 'what revenue?'

"Members are seeing their earnings go up."

Seeing being the operative word. Banking is yet
to be confirmed.

"When the first checks go out to members, I wonder
what you and the others will say then?"

John, my own feeling is that Alan will attempt to
issue a few payments so that members will keep
sending in their monthly fees and will be armed
with something to throw back at us 'naysayers'.
I do doubt that he will continue paying because
of his current financial status.

On the 22nd August a lien was entered against
GP for non-payment of employee taxes amounting
to $3593.71 including fees. Alan was already up
to his neck in unpaid debts and legal judgements
and yet he decided to take his family on vacation
to Disneyland. He knew he was about to get hit
with this latest payment default yet he spent
money that was not his on entertainment.

I realize that GP members feel he has worked
so hard that he deserved a vacation but I wonder
how many members would have taken a vacation
if they were in his shoes?

Alan's debt to High Properties alone is $1.2m
with monthly interest accruing at $16,000. Can
you really see GP advertiser revenue being able
to keep up with that and have enough left over to
pay members? Don't forget he still has all his
other creditors to consider.

One of the things that almost all MLM companies
boast about when recruiting members is being
debt-free with all growth being funded internally.
In GP's case they are crippled by debts and no
bank will provide them with funding. Maybe you
think that's the foundation for a stable business
but if I were you I wouldn't bet on it.

Adrian Elman


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (5.2)=============
From:Linda Rogers

I am one of the ex-employees owed money by this company.  I am also in touch
with several ex-employees who also hold signed statements that Alan Catalan
would be paying us our deferred salaries by Dec. 7, 2001, which is also the
anniversary of Pearl Harbour Day, a day that will live in infamy.

When I came to that beautiful building on Colonial Village Lane in Lancaster
to work, I was impressed.  After being there for a few weeks, I was more
than confused.  There were no programmers.  There was no technology being
advanced.  There were no people working there who had ever had any
experience working for a

As time went on, it became to obvious to some that this could very well be
showboating with no substance.  The day we were all laid-off, Sept 17, 2001,
I had just come  from the PA Labour and Industry where I filed a complaint
regarding my latest paycheck bouncing.

No one of the ex-employees owed deferment has been paid or notified that
they will be paid regardless of what Alan has told his minions.

My share was not as great as most of the others as I had refused to take a
50 percent deferral.  Since Alan needed me to make his "bubbas", he dropped
my deferment to 20 percent.  I am only owed $1153.86.  Some of the ex's are
owed in excess of $3,000.

Other employees notably customer service and ad reps, donated 100 percent of
their salaries.  When those people knocked at the door of HQ right before
Christmas, they were not allowed inside.  Since there were 11 of us
officially taking the deferrals and at least 5 others who donated services,
I'd estimate the ex-employee bill to be about $30,000.

You never think it could happen to you but there are innocents on the inside
and outside of the Going Platinum web who have been caught up and eaten
alive by the ugly spider who wove it.  You guys see a website and all the
wonderful things it hopes to do for you.  We saw a beautiful building and a
nice looking, fast-talking deadbeat.

People with great hopes of making a killing think they know so much more
than we who have been there on the inside.  I'd wish you all luck but you're
going to need more than luck.  I've seen the court papers and they are
legitimate.  Anyone who doubts the legitimacy of the documents can phone the
prothonatory office in the Lancaster courthouse and have copies faxed to

Linda Rogers



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (6.1)=============
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Subject:Spam has me stumped

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (7.1)=============
Subject:My first ezine article

Hi Todd. I publish my own ezine and I found your article to be very well
written. I have also spent over a year searching for net opportunities and
the amount of hype is unbelievable. Actually, that's why I started my ezine
was to tell my readership how to succeed without coughing up all their funds
to start with. Keep writing.

Sincerely, Cheryl.

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (7.2)=============
From:John Olson
Subject:My first ezine article


Go advice and good start. And a good idea, looking at auction sites for
bargains in advertising. I find people give up to quickly with online
business opportunities. If they're are not rich in a month, they quit and
move on to the next disappointment.

When you start with something, you have to be in it for the long haul. There
are No over night millionaires. It takes time, it takes work. But it seems
no matter how many times they hear this same message, most of them never
learn it. If something doesn't work in short order, they give up on it. If
Edison gave up after the first 50 tries, someone else would have invented
the electric light. Just like Edison, you have to keep at it. You have to
keep trying. You have to keep the dream alive. Because if You don't someone
else will.

Good Work Tom,

John Olson

It's Your Money. It's Your Time.


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (7.3)=============
From:Andrew Fuetterer
Subject:My first ezine article

Copy with obvious poor sentence writing like this, is one of the most
important items to eliminate before one can expect to get ahead in their
I quote:
If I had to list all of the MLM's, affiliate programs, and get rich quick
schemes that have come across my monitor screen, we would be here for a
couple of hours.  However, the fact that I was persistent and never gave up
has been more rewarding that actually making any amount of money.
I really believe that should say than.
More people NEED my services than USE my services!

bis später,
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Home Page:
Some of my Links:


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (7.4)=============
From:Robert Lee
Subject:My first ezine article

Hi Tom,

What a load of crap. I hope that that article in issue #305 isn't something
you plan on trumpeting around the internet and try to have published
elsewhere. Bogdan is doing you a huge favor by exposing your racket here.
Your first ezine article is nothing more than an extended signature line
that needs to be deleted before it hits the inbox.

Congrats on being able to realize what we all know, you can earn a living on
the internet.
Congrats also in revealing yourself as a wannabe-newbie that has at least
learned one thing: writing articles is a great way be to heard. But
unfortunately I think that you have not read this newsletter enough to know
that we see through remarks (sorry, "articles") such as yours that pose only
to prompt us to click on your affiliate link.

Tom, does this really work for you?
Are you really so savvy to be able to think that you've pulled this one off?
If you thought this up after only 6 months, goodness only knows where you'll
be in a year or two.

To paraphrase you Tom "NEVER GIVE UP YOUR DAY JOB!"

Happy schlepping!

Robert Lee

Save some money and let guide you to love!


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (8.1)=============
Subject:There is no quick and easy way to search engine success

Hi Adlanders

First, I'd like to thank Cynthia, Judith, and Helen
for their helpful info on the Stephan Ducharme book.
I'll take your advice under consideration!

Steve Pronger wrote concerning Tony Marshall's

"A check of overture's search suggestion tool . . .
last month there was a grand total of zero."

Sorry Steve, but I did a check on the Overture tool
for "grocery guru" and got a result for the month of
July of 179 searches.

I think you typed it in as "groceryguru" with no space
between (that got zero).  But I think the average
person on a search would type it in like I did.

I also did the same search under "grocery guru" on
Yahoo, Google, and Alta Vista and saw the following
results for

Yahoo - listed as #5
Google - listed as #5
Alta Vista - listed as #3

While Tony may not be getting tons of traffic under
this listing, I think he's getting targeted visitors.
He's also the only listing that mentions a money
making opportunity.

Plus, I noticed that at the top spot in all the
listings was a radio station that features what else?
Their morning show's "Grocery Guru."

So it seems to me that he's benefiting from this radio
station's promotion too.

Just wanted to point this out.


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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (8.2)=============
From:Anita Cohen-Williams
Subject:There is no quick and easy way to search engine success

Yes, search engine optimization is the best way to get on search engines.
Your tags (title, description, and keywords) must be set up so that the
search engines can properly index your site and you can be found.

However, it is not possible to guarantee high placement (unless you are
willing to pay Overture's high prices), and any company that says this
should be looked at twice.

Also, FFA pages are no longer very useful. Many of the search engines are
banning them as "link farms", and will not be influenced by them. FFAs were
originally used as a way of tricking the search engines.

As a search engine optimizer, I know the workings of the search engines, and
the various changes they keep making; i.e. AOL is now showing Google
results; AskJeeves is using Google for their featured listings, etc.

You can e-mail me with any questions.

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (9.1)=============
From:Robert Lee
Subject:An honest effort if you have your own Web Site

I suggest that you look at what 7 Search is offering.  You simply add their
search box HTML to your web page and the money does not pour in but it does
come. To view this in action look at my web site

End quote

Yours is the reason why, out of so many opportunities to purchase
pay-per-click search engine listings is why I don't use 7Search.

They have no restrictions on who publishes their search engine form. The
overall effect is that their searches are usually the site owners plugging
in high ranking keywords and clicking a lot.

7Search allows only one IP address per search request, so you can't keep
hitting the same high ranking keyword all day long and earn money from it,
but there is nothing stopping you from doing that to a whole list of words.

There searches are worthless from an advertiser's perspective. I've wasted
enough time and money monitoring my account with them.

And your example is yet another reason why my experience with them was so
bad and expensive.

Those of you that purchase search engine listings are better off starting
with Overture and getting listed with many small keywords that won't cost
you a fortune per click rather that spending your money with a smaller
search engine and lining the pockets of their publishers.

You've been warned.

Robert Lee


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Subject:Affiliate Programs

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I want to set up an affiliate program. I'm going to pay a whopping 40%
commission but I can't find an affiliate program that I can understand and
that doesn't cost an arm and a leg to operate.  Does anyone know of
an affiliate program for the definitely challenged entrepreneur?

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==============N e w P o s t i n g  (2)=============
Subject:Thanks to Judith

Hi Bogdan et al,
I would just like to say thanks to both you Bogdan for your Digest (still
the best) and to Judith Tramayne-Barth for being an active subscriber.
I read Judith's reply to Donna and thought her site was worth a look.  Boy
was I glad I did.  I have been looking for a good graphic editor for ages
that wouldn't cost me the earth and not only did I find this but a veritable
GOLD MINE of other FREE and VERY CHEAP information and Downloads.  I
immediately bookmarked her site and links taken from it.  I can assure you,
if you don't do anything else today, visit Judith's site at  It's much more than just  "A Good Read".




==============N e w P o s t i n g  (3)=============
From:GingerMarie Douglas-Geracitano
Subject:Responce to ALL 'bizopp' discussions

Protect Your Downlines BEFORE They Join Your Team!
10 Step Evaluation
Written By: GingerMarie Douglas-Geracitano

Recent debates and discussions I participate in regarding Internet Business
Opportunities have made one thing clear to me. The majority, (not all), of
upline sponsors are too focused on the 'me' factor, when in fact, they
should be focused on the 'you'!

What is an upline sponsor without their downline? How many times have you
joined an opportunity, and never heard anything from your sponsor, except
for maybe their next sales pitch? As an upline sponsor myself, I can tell
you that it doesn't matter (as much) how well YOU do with the program. You
want to consider yourself successful? Tell me how your downline is doing!

It's nice to advertise how much YOU'RE making with the program, but if you
want me in your downline, tell me what's in it for me, and what you're going
to do to help me succeed. Don't tell me what the company is going to do, I
can read that for myself on the website! You've made money? That's great!
Now tell me what you're going to do to make sure I make money too!

While I agree that it's important to understand right upfront that you have
to be willing to work any program that you join in order to see success,
there are some requirements that any opportunity should pass before you even
consider spending your time marketing them.

Without the following basic requirements, I don't even consider marketing an
Opportunity, because I'm growing downlines for long term partnerships. When
I refer someone to a company, they know I'm not in it for the 'fast cash'.
An upline sponsor that doesn't communicate with their downlines, or require
their opportunities to pass these basic requirements is not interested in
YOUR success. They are only interested in how much money they're going to
earn off of you.

BECOME the type of upline sponsor that you wish you had in the programs
you've joined! The following list is a great start towards protecting your
downlines, (and yourself) from the opportunities that may in fact be a waste
of your time. Remember, we are looking for LONG TERM relationships, NOT
'Take the money and run' programs!

Evaluation Checklist for BizOpps

1: Company contact should include phone number with live operators, email
address that is not an autoresponder, and a physical location. (Be assured
that they will be there to help you and your downline should you need them!)

2: Tests of the contact options must be answered within 24 hours. (Timing is
everything! Professional courtesy dictates 24 hours is a reasonable time for
response, weekends excluded.)

3: Testimonials test; write to and question the folks that have testified to
the company's quality. Ask your upline to prove that they've received
payment within the program!

4: Guarantee test: Full money back minimum of 30 days

5: Payment options should include credit cards for optimum sales

6: No minimum payout to low minimum. (Making a downline wait to reach a high
dollar amount of earned commissions may discourage beginners! Receiving
payment for even one sale is enough to encourage continued success, and
builds confidence in the paying ability of the company.)

7: Should be at least a 2 tiered program that pays 30-50% or flat fees of
$10 minimum (My own personal choice.)

8: Company should be searchable in their hometown Business Directory or
County Clerk's office. (Even Sole Proprietors are required to file the
proper paperwork here in the USA, even if the company operates under an
'umbrella' corporation, find out what the name of it is, and look them up!
Ideally, this information can be found on the 'About' page, or privacy

9: Web site should disclose company ownership and privacy policy regarding
payment vendors and email/cookie privacy on an 'About' page or Privacy

10: Should offer comprehensive, interactive training materials and
resources. Banners, ad copy and replicated web sites should be provided free
of charge.


==============N e w P o s t i n g  (4)=============
From:Andy Sparks
Subject:What does ICQ mean?

At the risk of sounding stupid, I would like to know what ICQ means.  I
guessing it is chat rooms but I am not sure.

I received a spam email saying they could send sales messages without
spamming because it didn't use email.  If they are posting to chat rooms, I
would consider that spam as well and would probably anger people more than
spam email.

Please let me know what ICQ is and you can post this in the digest or have
people reply to me direct

Andy Sparks

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=====================Site Review Request  (1)===============
From:Terry Hudson

Dear Adland Staff:

I would like to submit my New and revised website Affiliate
website for your review.

I developed this site because I thought I could give people interested
in learning more about marketing an alternative to subscription websites.
I have joined my share and admit I've been disappointed (especially with
myself) for spending anywhere from $17.00 to $35.00 a month for
information that is available everywhere for free.

Affiliate has a wealth of information and I would like to invite
your readers to visit my site and consider placing a link or (I'm currently
working on a new directory for businesses who want to post) leave an
email for review of their site for future inclusion.  No Spam Please!


Terry Hudson



=====================Site Review Request  (2)===============
From:Robert Borhi


I have been a reader of the Adland ezine for a few
months now and I agree that it is one of the best, I
read it from start to finish.  I like getting the
opinions of other marketers and enjoy the discussions.

I would like to request a review of my site,

It is basically a marketing site with advertising and
business links.  When I started it over a year ago it
was a mess of links and banners, I have tried to
organize it over time into less banners and more text.

Please let me know what you think

Best regards,

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=====================Site Review Response  (1)===============
From:John Olson


Yes, these pages I would consider Doorway pages. also

I think they could be of much help attracting customers, and not just people
looking for a business. I wish you luck with this and I hope it works out.
Sounds like an interesting idea, sign up for so many minutes of long
distance service and get your ISP paid for.

Good Luck,

John Olson

It's Your Money. It's Your Time.


=====================Site Review Response  (2)===============
From:April Waters

As soon as I read the url I knew it was another site request
for a website the person did not build themselves. Again they
are using a website, furnished by Fuller Brush Company and
please understand, I do not say these sites are bad...

They just should not be entered for a site review because there
is nothing the person can do to change them anyway.

This is just a way to get people to your other words
it is a way of getting 25,000+ hits for free. Not fair to the
people who actually spend countless hours making a website to
be reviewed.

Again I say...Pay Adland $5.00-$20.00 to run an ad in this
newsletter then let us visit because we choose too, not because
we want to possibly do a site review.

I am sorry to always complain about this but there are lots of
places to advertise for free on the internet, PLEASE do not use
the site review to sneak in a free ad.

April Waters

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=====================Site Review Response  (3)===============
From:John Olson


Finally, a site all of us home owner, lawn mowing fools need to have in our
saved favorites. Talk about your targeted sites.

Jerry, you have a great little site here and a fine idea. I would spice it
up a little. A picture of a beautiful freshly mowed lawn would be nice. I
just noticed that the link to the "Small Engine Tech Tips" goes from the
banner all the way to the left side of the page. You should fix that.

Now, as I clicked around through some of the links, I noticed that some go
to other pages on your site and some go to another site. It would be better,
I think, to separate these links into two different sets. One for your pages
and one for the other site resources. It will make things so much less

Also, tell us who you are, right from the start. Give us a little of your
story. Tell us where you are and maybe even why you felt the need to build
this site. I am sure it's an interesting story.

Now, I am not telling you to over load the pages with pictures or cute
little animations, but one or two small ones for each page would help to
liven it up a bit. You have good information to share with people, but it's
such a dull looking site, you might just put them to sleep as they read
through. Which is not a bad idea when you have to mow, and you don't feel
like it. And who ever feels like mowing.

Put some personality into the site. Liven it up and have some fun. Believe
me, I know when I am having trouble with my mower, I could use a laugh or
two. Here's an idea, search some jokes sites for stories about mowing and
mowers. Add them to the site, just for fun.

I have saved your site to my favorites and I hope to see something fun the
next time I drop in. Just don't go overboard and make it too cute. Keep the
load time down, so we can get our answer quickly, but add a little life to
the pages.

Good luck, now about my Lawnboy 4 cycle................

John Olson

It's Your Money. It's Your Time.


=====================Site Review Response  (4)===============
From:John Olson


You asked, TO Much. What I mean is all the copy on the top on the page.
Everything above the second "Where Everyone is Welcome" needs reworking.
There is a lot more TO much too.

You have a list of companies and their products below the divider. A list is
fine, but it looks like you just put it there for the search engines to
read, not for humans. If you are going to have a list like this, say
something like, "We carry these fine products..." or, "We work with these
fine Companies..." Don't just launch into a list like that.

I see from the merchandise you offer that you have a logo. Use it and get
rid of the cheesy shopping cart GIF.

Now, do you have 2 domains here? One and one I think you do and it is confusing me, if I drank
coffee, I think I would need a cup to sit and figure this out. If you are
going to combine the two sites, please make it clear what you are doing.

You keep saying "We," who is we? Tell us who you are, where you are. Don't
make us look for it. I keep getting confused between the sunbelt and the
homecoffeeservice, maybe I really need a drink, scotch anyone?

Like many people do, you have to many graphics on a lot of your pages. That
makes them slow to load. Cut some of them down or out. Or make more pages so
you don't have to many things on one page.

Is that little guy in the sunburst a coffee bean?

I clicked on your "Gift Baskets" link and I know I need a drink now. The
page was on your site, but looked nothing like the other pages. Keep them
all the same, design wise. (there was an error reported, maybe that is why
the background was white)

You have a set of links on the left, near the bottom of the page that look
like they should be the main navigation links. What are they doing way down
there? Also there are two links in white against the light brown which is
very hard to read. Why are they in white and most of the other links are in
black or dark brown?

Debra, you have some site cleaning to do before you invite the world. With
all the links, 2 domains, shopping carts graphics and pictures, your site is
very hard to navigate. It looks like you just through everything together
and never did have a plan as to how it should look and work. You need a
plan, Debra.

I wish you luck with this, but the site needs to be organized so people can
find everything on every page and then get to all the other pages. Get all
the links in one or two spots (read top or left and repete on the bottom)
and keep them that way on all the pages. And what is with the 2

Good luck. Darn, I'm out of scotch.......

John Olson

It's Your Money. It's Your Time.


=====================Site Review Response  (5)===============
From:John Olson


For a minute you had me fooled. I thought this was some cheap trick to get
us all to look at your Fuller Brush Company site. I was wrong. You built
yourself a neat little Doorway site through Tripod. I shouldn't say little.
It's much more then that.

It looks great, you did a good job with it. Fooled me until I looked at the
links and saw the Tripod name in them. Nice little redirect URL to, but if
you really want to get some traffic, pay for a Domain of your own and have
it redirect to the Tripod site. Here's a good source for that, low price and
they redirect too.

The only thing I would suggest is since you have this site of your own is
you should tell us who you are, and a little about yourself. On the business
opportunity page, you can tell us how long you have been with Fuller and how
you have been doing.

The only other thing I think needs to be made clear, has to do with the way
Fuller has this set up for their agents. You are going to loose sales if
people don't put your ID in when they order. Or maybe Fuller requires an ID
with each order, I don't know, I didn't go that far into it. In any case,
make sure you tell people they need your ID number so you get credit for all
those sales that are sure to come.

I wish you luck with this, you have a good looking site to market from.

John Olson

It's Your Money. It's Your Time.


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