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C o n t i n u i n g   D i s c u s s i o n s (5)

~J.F. (Jim) Straw

2.Virus Greetings
~Katheryn Labosky

3.Classified ads sites

4.Never ever pay again for website promotion
~Bill Reed

~Claire Solt

N e w     P o s t s  (4)

1.Laurfence Lowne
~Noticed an advert for Armchair Tycoon.

2.Jerry Renville
~8 Essential Free Marketing Lessons

3.Jesse Perez
~Advertising problems

~I never had any card in all my life

Site Review Requests   (0)

Site Review Responses   (4)

1.Andy Sparks

2.Andy Sparks

3.Katheryn Labosky

4.Katheryn Labosky

G u e s t   A r t i c l e    (1)
1.Marketing From The Inside Out
By John Colanzi

Joke of the Day

================== Word from publisher ====================

Greetings All

Welcome  250 new subscribers who joined list since last mailing.

I just received such testimonial from one of Adlandpro advertisers.
Very short and sweet.


I just want to say thank you. 
Your system was everything you said it was. 
I will use your system again in the future.

Thanks again.

Paul Azerolo


As some of you know, I have introduced web submission
form to eliminate spam to this list. Form makes it harder
to be misused because if somebody wants to
make contribution, they have to make the trip to the form,
type things manually and then click submit button.
(This is at least in theory)

Now I'm getting about 80% of all submissions just pure
ads.  One guy even managed to put email address
which sends confirmation message about the submission.
on his autoresponder.

I must to tell you that this is not even funny.
I'm getting so disappointed with the methods some newer
marketers are using today.
They don't see the difference between discussion list
and safe list. They believe that sending ads to any email
address will give them customers and sales.

Some of you need a big scream close to your ear,


Don't fool yourself.
In order to get sells you need to gain customer's confidence.

You are not going to make me feel good about you
when you send me ads telling me how I can make
money on the internet.
How to advertise or market.

I know this already, and if you would listen carefully,
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But obviously if you send me next week your submission
telling me how to earn millions, you have not read this
and you just can't be helped.
You are hopeless.

Bogdan Fiedur


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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.1)=============
From:J.F. (Jim) Straw

In response to Kathleen VanBeekom who said:

"We are all involved with online money-making ventures, but many of us are
still very interested in mail-order. -- I'm always looking for new
opportunities, or those that have been around for awhile that I may not
have heard of yet."

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.1)=============
From:Katheryn Labosky
Subject:Virus Greetings

I never received the viral greeting, Bogdan, as my server has their own
virus protection built in; however, I did receive notice that it had been
deleted by them.  This is sometimes good and sometimes bad, as I have had
important correspondence deleted by them, as everything seems to be
"picked up", but now, after this, I will stop my complaining, as I see
their point.

On another note, my condolences to you.  This is a very difficult matter
to deal with, as the sense of betrayal must be profound.  It apparently
must be a reader and therefore even harder for you to come to grips with,
as I value my readers as well, and feel that they must somehow value me,
as I am sure you do too.   Its simply jealousy on the hacker's part,
Bogdan, as those that don't "make it" in a business of their own sometimes
internalize their own disappointment and take it out on others that do
"make it".  Although I have never had this particular thing happen to me,
I have had other situations, where someone would be disgruntled by their
own inability to achieve success and therefore take it out on me, because
of my ability to achieve it.  Don't let it "sour" you.  If they manage to
bring you down and ruin your outlook, then they have "won", and this is
what they want.  If you need to talk, I will listen, as sometimes, success
brings its own set of problems with it, and those of us who attain it,
don't always have anyone who understands or with whom we can "share and

Wishing you a wonderful New Year!

Katheryn Labosky

"The Reluctant Entrepreneur"


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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (3.1)=============
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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (4.1)=============
From:Bill Reed
Subject:Never ever pay again for website promotion

I would have to say in response to your article
that the only results that one can be sure of getting from using the
programs you suggest is an increase in their bandwith usage.

When programs like  nomrehits and startblaze first came out they were
somewhat effective, but their days has come and gone as with many other
types of programs and promotions.

To make matters even worse with many of the traffic exchange programs,
there are now programs out that surf as many as 5 or more of these
exchanges automatically at the same time and that means the person doing
the surfing is actually costing you credits yet never sees your site at

There are no easy solutions to building traffic to your site, when a
sounds too  good to be true solution pops up, you can bet that it fits the
old bill " It it sounds too good to be true then it is probably

I can tell you that in my opinion  the art of building good traffic to
your website takes a lot of time and work. This includes getting the
proper linking from good sites and using some of the tried and true
methods of getting target traffic, such as the search engines.

Regardless of what we try to market or sell, we all need to understand
that there is no over night success.

A good product or service, plus time, plus good customer service,
carefully selected promotional activities, plus much work and persistence
are the keys to the success of any venture.

Bill Reed

The independent ppc Search with a difference
A sharedProfit associate Site


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (5.1)=============
From:Claire Solt

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It took a month, but it has really been worth it! It still pulls better
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==============N e w P o s t i n g  (1)=============
From:Laurfence Lowne
Subject:Noticed an advert for Armchair Tycoon.

Simon J Hill was the proprietor and has been sought for prosecution in the
UK and USA for defrauding investors in a scheme called AGM International.

He has been flagged up by a national newspaper here in the UK called the
Mail on Sunday by a journalist by the name of Tony Hetherington.

I was approached by this company over a year ago and smelled a rat then
and steered well clear having been called by Ed Garcia, who I see is one
of the testimonies being quoted.

I have just spoken to John Atherley who is the MD of iFX7 Ltd (the new
parent company), who says that Simon Hill is no longer involved in the
business as a director or manager, but still acts as a consultant to the
business and shares their premises in Barnsley -  UK.

You will need to make up your own mind about this business, since I have
no hard proof one way or the other as to whether it is kosher or not.

Laurence Lowne

UK based full time MLMer
New distributors always welcome.



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==============N e w P o s t i n g  (3)=============
From:Jesse Perez
Subject:Advertising problems

I,ve got some problems. I know that alot of people must have the same
problems. Problem: I research for hours on ways to advertise and I see
thousands of ways, but I try and all I get is responses to try their
programs and I'll be making $1000's in a matter of weeks with no work for
me. I stand by my business and know for a fact it's the best thing going.
All I want is a sure way to drive traffic to my site and I know I will
have some people joining my opportunity. I just need a few hard working
people to achieve financial success. Please help me get some honest, good
help. Thanks!

Jesse Perez

Best thing going on the net!


==============N e w P o s t i n g  (4)=============
Subject:I never had any card in all my life

I never had any card in all my life. I am going to get one soon.
I do not know what is best: Visa or MasterCard?
And what is best payment system? PayPal, WebMoney or eMoneyMail?
Has anyone had any experiences with it?
What are the pitfalls or conveniences you have run into?
For those of you who have not used PayPal (or WebMoney)
do you think you will give it a try?
I appriciate all e-mails, all advices.
Any thoughts about payment methods.

I know you are too busy.
Excuse me please me for a lot questions.

All the best,



=====================Site Review Response  (1)===============
From:Andy Sparks

Hi Steve;

Your site looks just fine but I am afraid you are just another online
perscription drug store among millions.  There is no compelling reason for
me to purchase from your site.

In order to be successful, your site has to be found and it has to
convert the visitor to a buyer.  Hopefully your parent company will be
able to deliver a price and service that converts the buyer into a return
customer.  You don't have much control over that portion, you need to
concentrate on being found and generating that initial sale.

The only way to accomplish this feat of being found and making an initial
sale is by delivering excellent information.  You need to make a number of
search engine optimized pages for each drug that you sell and provide a
link directly to the purchase page for that particular drug.

I would make a page for the side effects of each drug and I would make a
page for the benefits of each drug.  I would probably make another page
reviewing each drug.  You can't make too many as long as each one has
unique content and actually delivers information that is helpful to
someone that is interested in the drugs that you sell.

It seems that every web site says,"Here I am, Buy from me!" but no one
takes the time and effort to help the visitor find answers to questions.
That whole "Buy from Me!" school of thought has failed, is failing as we
speak and will continue to fail.

Here is what you do, go to Overture's keyword suggestion tool, (Seems a
little strange, last Digest I say Overture is bad and this Digest, I say
use their search tool.)

If you search for viagra you find there were 190,650 searches for viagra
in November 2002.  Google says:
Searched the web for viagra.   Results 1 - 10 of about 10,400,000 pages.

There were 2760  searches for side effects of viagra but Google only
returns 115,000 pages as search results.  Now ask yourself these
questions, Do I want to compete against 10,400,000 pages or 115,000 pages
and is a person researching the side effects more likely to purchase
viagra than someone just searching for the word viagra?

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to do that math.

Go take DR. Ken Evoy's free Affiliate Masters course.  It will do you a lot of good.

Andy Sparks


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=====================Site Review Response  (2)===============
From:Andy Sparks

Hi Russ;

I just wrote a big review for and everything I
said to him applies to you as well.  You need to write pages about your
products and link them directly to the purchase page.

Also create a link page and start trading links with every site that you
possibly can.  Link popularity is very important for search engine

Don't get one of those automatic linking scripts unless you know the links
will get spidered by search engines.  If you trade links with a site and
their link page never gets spidered, you didn't gain a thing.

The reason that link popularity is important is because a search engine
spider has to make a decision about your site.  It has to decide if your
site delivers quality information that is relevant to the search query or
if it is just another crappy web site.

It is logical to assume that if a large number of web sites are linking to
your site, you must have something good or interesting on your site.  So
if all things are equal, the site that has many incoming links is probably
better than a site that has no incoming links.

Now, if your site has the exact same link page as a bunch of other sites,
then the links are probably not relevant and your site will not get ranked
as well as a site with real incoming links and your site might get banned
from the search engines.

When I first built a link page on, it was probably six months
before I recieved an email requesting a link exchange and now I do a link
exchange almost every day.

The result of exchanging links and following the advice of DR. Ken Evoy is
that I have a large number of pages that rank well on Google and a number
of other search engines.  When Yahoo increased their use of Google
results, my Yahoo ranking increased also.

The first time you search Yahoo for one of your keyword phrases and you
see your page first or second after the paid results, that is a very good

Andy Sparks
Link Exchange page for


=====================Site Review Response  (3)===============
From:Katheryn Labosky

Hi Steve.  Just visited your site.  Actually found it quick to download,
easy to read, and very pleasant overall to visit.  You have a great slogan
on top, and some nice tight copy among the various paragraphs, but I felt
you needed to expand on the reasons why your site and your services alone,
would be a reason for me to purchase from you.  Give it more of a sales
letter on the homepage, focus on those great slogans and sayings you have
littered throughout, lengthen the copy a bit, and I feel you will indeed
have a winner.  You do have a great start with this, in my own humble

Happy New Year!

Katheryn Labosky


"The Reluctant Entrepreneur"


=====================Site Review Response  (4)===============
From:Katheryn Labosky

Hi Russ.  Your site is easy on the eyes and easy to navigate, with easy
accessibility to each of your products and a great layout.  You need a
sales letter on your homepage, though, Russ, as it has been proven that
you either make the sale, or visitors leave "within the first two lines".
Grab them with dynamite copy as soon as they arrive, and your chances of
making the sale increase dramatically.

Take Care,

Katheryn Labosky

"The Reluctant Entrepreneur"



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=====================G u e s t   A r t i c l e   (1)===============
Marketing From The Inside Out
ByJohn Colanzi

The "Magic Bullet" seems to be what so many marketers are
looking for. They want a secret technique or method to
guarantee their success.

I'll let you in on a secret. They're looking in the wrong

True success and prosperity start on the inside. It comes
from within yourself, not from some magical technique or

There are no sure fire tools. There is no guaranteed
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persistence and most of all your mind set.

Lasting success begins in your head and radiates from your
inner core.

Once you've developed an attitude of abundance, no one
can take it from you.

You'll see opportunity at every turn. You'll realize that
setbacks are really lessons to be learned on the road to

Once you know with all your being that you can succeed,
you'll realize that your success depends on you.

There are no gurus to blame.

There are no programs to blame.

There are no methods to blame.

The buck stops with you.

You are the master of your fate.

You determine what works for you.

Don't give away that power.

Learn everything you can about your business and how to
promote it, but make the final decision on how to
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Realize that every step you make along the road to
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If you take two steps forward and one step back, you're
still further along than if you did nothing.

Get your head right and success will come.

Stop looking outside yourself for success. Start marketing
from the inside out.

Wishing You Success,
John Colanzi

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