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C o n t i n u i n g   D i s c u s s i o n s (6)

1.Email Capture/Autoresponders
~Bill McQuatt

2.Ezine Explosion (rip off)
~Amalia Sotiriadou
~Judy Hortin

3.Ok I'm Fed up (Email confirmations)
~Frances J. Atwood
~Michael Reed

4.'Top Spot' for any keyword...../A new kid on the block
~Geoff Dodd
~William Jaroske

5.Spam blocking
~Adrian Elman

6.Permission Spam
~Mireille Carrier

N e w     P o s t s  (2)

1.Jack Herndon
~Autoresponder help

2.Donna Sweat
~Looking for Favorite resources for my marketing ezine

Site Review Requests   (1)

1.Cathy Wagner

Site Review Responses   (0)

G u e s t   A r t i c l e    (1)
1.What's in it for me?
By Lois Bodycote

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Greetings All

Welcome  400 new subscribers who joined list since last mailing.

There was recently lots of talk how Mark Joyner was "exiting
the internet"

Do you actually believed that he is going to do this?
Be honest, how may of you believed it?

I still get messages signed by him in all kinds of ventures.
Don't you think this was just his another way of getting
attention? Was it that bad that he had to actually sell off
his so "well" functioning business?

I predict that his next move will be  Re-entering the internet
on one of his flying ads.

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.1)=============
From:Bill McQuatt
Subject:Email Capture/Autoresponders

Up until recently I was also a supporter of autoresponders. But over the
last three years all of the companies I have been involved with had to
shut their autoresponders down for SPAM complaints. This always results in
me being left high and dry with no recourse but to go on to find another
autoresponder. The companies do not have enough incoming or screening
control and thus all customers get cut in the shutdowns.
Autoresponders are in my estimation a breeding ground for SPAM. Just a
brief example to prove my point.
Anyone with a bit of savvy can generate an "a" to "z" and "1" to "0"
program that will generate 1000s upon 1000s of "email" addresses and load
them into an autoresponder. Set up 15 or so sales messages and forget it!
It will run for ever. The rejects will be tossed out, the "remove me's"
will be ignored and it will just repeat itself over and over again. IS
Use a legitimate advertising campaign. Let the customer decide if they
want to visit your website when they are surfing. Have them freely decide
to give you their information if they want to know more about what you are
Then use the email system to contact YOUR customers, downline or team
members! In my humble opinion this is what the system was meant for, not
the kind of garbage overload we are getting today!

Bill McQuatt



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.1)=============
From:Amalia Sotiriadou
Subject:Ezine Explosion (rip off)

Paul, I have to reluctantly agree with you. I had a similar experience and
ended up paying their initial set-up fee twice! I wrote to them about it,
but like you, received no response. This is one program that is going to
be losing a lot of members soon, I fear.

TGeBiz: Your MAP to SUCCESS!


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.2)=============
From:Judy Hortin
Subject:Ezine Explosion (rip off)

 was rather surprised that you
carried an article in your ezine, in which, one person said that EzineBlaze
effectively stole her money. I know it feels like that when things go wrong.
I feel very sour about the money I spent on e-BizRotator. My experience with
EzineBlaze has been just the opposite.

I joined this programme on impulse in January.  I have been writing ad copy for
nigh on forty years and thought the programme would offer me a good chance to
utilise my skills. Their copy writing made me squirm and I had no intention of
sending out their potted text. "We British still prefer The Queens English to
American sales spiel."

I tried to understand Ezine Blaze's "Unique Compensation Plan." It could have
been written in ancient Greek or hieroglyphics as far as I was concerned.  I
found it utterly incomprehensible, on a par with simple harmonic motion. I
copied an Ezine Blaze banner on to my web site and promptly forgot about the
programme. I didn't even set up the e-mail capture or do anything else to
promote my link. Needless to say, I got zero signups.  I received some very good
information from other ezine writers. I joined a few programmes and bought one
or two products from Ezine Blaze advertisers. It is a good programme in that

I was surprised to get communications from Ezine Blaze telling me that there
were upgrades in my matrix, so I returned to the compensation plan and
discovered that it was still Greek to me. When a $30 cheque arrived in April, I
had another look at the stats and was still unable to make head or tail of them.
When a cheque for $33.25 arrived in May I had another go and found even more
things that I could not understand like $3 for a lead sale. When I discovered
that I had earned over $100 for doing next to nothing I decided to apply my mind
to the programme and I have deduced the following.
1) You can earn a passive income, if you do not want to actively promote the
2) They plugged Traffic Oasis as an opportunity for members and I missed out on
that by not visiting my web site.
3) The ezine directory which promotes all members, ezines is a fantastic way to
get your own ezine in front of a targeted audience and  I was surprised by the
amount of people who  discovered mine through their search engine.
4) It is a programme that is tipped by many gurus and ad co-op members to be one
of the winners for 2003.

I still don't understand the compensation plan but does it really matter if you
can make money out of the programme.
If anybody can translate it into The Queens English or understandable American,
perhaps Bogdan will publish it for other readers' benefit.

Judy Hortin


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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (3.1)=============
From:Frances J. Atwood
Subject:Ok I'm Fed up (Email confirmations)

Anita Foley wrote.

This is a BIG part of the equation, but it's not the ONLY part. Along with
providing something people NEED and believing in your
product/service/company, Internet marketing is also a NUMBERS GAME. You DO
have to ADVERTISE your offering and get it in front of enough people in
order to make money. And this is where the challenges and frustrations
arise among those of us doing business online


Yes, Anita, you are right about numbers. I took the position that as
internet marketers, the numbers game should already be a well known fact.

My implication was, that when you get discouraged, look at what you are
marketing. What does it do for others? Is it really worthwhile or did you
get caught in a frivolous venture?

One's belief in what one does is that person's strength behind what he or
she is doing. That strength is what is necessary to keep things going when
times look tough.

That is the jist of my initial input to those that had said that they were
fed up.

Frances J. Atwood



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (3.2)=============
From:Michael Reed
Subject:Ok I'm Fed up (Email confirmations)

Hey guys,
I'm relatively new at this internet marketing stuff and have subscribed to
several "free" programs. I have found a couple that are starting to pay
off and as one of you stated, it takes consistency and effort.

As with any "business", if you don't work at it and persevere you will not
make a dime. I don't care what you are selling. If you don't have a good
work ethic nothing you do will succeed. I agree that there are NO get rich
quick programs out there.

Michael D. Reed



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (4.1)=============
From:Geoff Dodd
Subject:'Top Spot' for any keyword...../A new kid on the block

Hi Bogdan,

Re: John's reply to Bill (8.1) about Top Spot on any
search engine for ANY keyword or phrase.. Hmm, in
theory it's possible for ONE person, eh?

You would need: perfect page optimization with your
primary phrase occurring in the domain name, file name,
Title, Description, first keyword, in the Header1, the
first 90 char of body text and in linking text.

Then, you'd need to sweet-talk to over 2,000
webmasters, begging them to place reciprocal links,
inbound, incoming, pointing at YOU.

But.. the links would all have to use your primary
keyphrase as the linking text!

That's the theory. For one to do.

C'mon John, give Bill a flamin' break!  It CAN be done,
even for 'shopping' or 'travel' but Rome wasn't built
by instant download. It took slave labor.

Geoff Dodd

Residual Income - Work at home Australia


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (4.2)=============
From:William Jaroske
Subject:'Top Spot' for any keyword...../A new kid on the block

John Olson,

There was not much of any information on the blog about web promotion and
search engine placement. All Bill wanted is a plug for his blog of mostly
political ramblings.

William Jaroske

Invest in worthwhile opportunities for once. Its plain foolish to promote
gimmicky scams and schemes with no hopes to make money. Get yourself
educated today!!


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (5.1)=============
From:Adrian Elman
Subject:Spam blocking

In last week's edition (352) Dave Reno talked about
using Spam Terminator. The theory behind this program
is indeed good but in practice it is not ready for
the open market, at least not in its current guise.

The latest version (1.3) has various bug fixes but
it still trashes much of your legitimate mail. If
you run a business then you simply cannot afford to
lose mail from your clients.

I wrote to ST's support and requested that they allow
the blocking of entire domains using wildcards, for
example: * would delete any mail coming from
Yahoo whereas *@*.*.tw would delete any mail coming
from the country of Taiwan. They wrote to me yesterday
saying that the latest version has this option ...IT

I run 3 autoresponder companies so I have to be able
to receive spam complaints but ST trashes them and I
doubt there will ever be any solution to that. So
while many casual internet users will be able to use
Spam Terminator I will just have to trust to my
faithful friend MailWasher Pro. It's 100% reliable
and it kills the spam without trashing any of my
legitimate mails.

Adrian Elman



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (6.1)=============
From:Mireille Carrier
Subject:Permission Spam

Ok you guys, enough already.  Wow, what a can of worms I opened!

You don't know me at all, so I don't blame you for reacting the way you
did.  I wrote my reply to Paul with a grin but of course, you couldn't see
that.  It was not intended to be malicious in any way.

When I bought the advertising in question, I agreed to be subscribed to
every ezine that would publish my ad.  Fine.  I've been online long
enough, I know what subscribing to ezines means.

I did expect to receive all these ezines and the solo ads to go with them.
But solo ads like there's no tomorrow?  Quite a few send out a MINIMUM of
10 solo ads PER DAY.  Now, I didn't agree to THAT.  If only 5 did that,
that means an extra FIFTY emails every day!  Unfortunately, more than 5
adopted this practice.

Come on...

So I got exhausted with all the ads and bad publications after a few days,
you can't crucify me for expressing my frustration.

I have unsubscribed from a lot of them, some that I would otherwise have
kept, but the solo ads were just clogging my inbox.  Every day, without
fail.  Many publishers offer an alternative, subscribers can choose to
receive solo ads or not.  I wish all of them did that.

Maybe labelling these emails as "permission SPAM" was a mistake.  I had
agreed to receiving all these ezines and a REASONABLE amount of solo ads.
I got flooded!  Ok, so now I know.  I got over it.  I lived.  Sorry Andy.

Paul and Andy, I still believe that ezine advertising is the best and most
inexpensive way to advertise on the internet.  Ads that I've placed in
selected ezines from those I found through this co-op have proved to be
quite fruitful for me.  It more than paid for the original co-op ad.  So
it wasn't a total waste.

I'm sure participating in Co-Ops is a great way to get new subscribers for
many ezines.  You get everything under the sun with a co-op ad, recipes,
health and nutrition, baby talk, travel, different cultures, business,
name it, you get it.  Not exactly what I call "targeted advertising".
Some are quite interesting and I'm still receiving them.  I won't use them
as an advertising vehicle though.  I read them simply for my personal
pleasure.  Like Paul.  :)  Smile Paul... I'm actually being nice here. :)

But if you don't try it, you'll never know.


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==============N e w P o s t i n g  (1)=============
From:Jack Herndon
Subject:Autoresponder help

I am not good at some things with a computer, but I can send/receive
messages etc.  But, I have tried and tried to compose a satisfactory
messages in an autoresponder from the title, body of ad and then I am
stuck.  They all have at least 10 follow-up messages and I don't know how
to draft a satisfactory follow-up message unless I know what the customer
wants.  Help, Help, from anyone out there.  have purchased double-optin
leads and cannot sofar import them into an autoresponder. Would someone
out there share an example
of an add campaign with everything needed to publish a campaign with an
autoresponder? such as a template for each section.

Thanks for sharing.
Jack D. Herndon



==============N e w P o s t i n g  (2)=============
From:Donna Sweat
Subject:Looking for Favorite resources for my marketing ezine

Hello Gals and Guys
I publish Dee's Helpful Info and The Tipster
Ezine located at: My Tipster is mostly
marketing tips,
tools, resources, freebies and downloads for
the home based entrepreneur.
I am looking for favorite things to include
in my ezine the will help others succeed in
I can offer a free classified to any useful tips I
use. Just send an email and use the subject line,
"Tips for The Tipster"

Thanks All


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=====================G u e s t   A r t i c l e   (1)===============
What's in it for me?
ByLois Bodycote

Almost every article you read now days has this statement in
it. Marketing advisors and gurus alike tell us that everyone is
selfish and wants to know "What's in it for me?"

Well; I'm here to tell you  there is NOTHING in it for you
without some hard work. Most advertise their site and /or
offers with statements like -"Make Millions while you sleep" or
"work 3 hours a day and become a millionaire" - you get the

Well, unless you don't need to work and /or can hire someone
to do it for you - It isn't gonna' work!!

Creating a successful Internet presence involves much more
than designing a "great" web site or having the "perfect"
product. You have to work at getting known. You have to work
at getting people's trust before they will become YOUR
customer or partner.

Internet marketing is just like any other business except it is
faster paced in some aspects and slower in others. If you
opened a store in town ____________

*You would have to decide on what you are going to sell
(your product or someone else's)

*You would have to get the building and ready it for
customers (Your web site)

*You would have to get the word out that you are open for
business (advertise)

*You would have to let the consumers know what you are
offering (advertise)

*You would need to convince the customer they would be
better off buying from you instead of from your competitor
(special offers, freebies,advertise)

*You need a steady flow of customers to make it (building
your opt in list)

*You need to be friendly and courteous to customers and
potential customers alike (customer service; answer
questions and statements in a timely fashion.)

In other words - if you had a store downtown you would have to
work at getting it open and keeping it open. The same holds
true for internet marketing. You have to work at it.


Over a year ago I joined some "make millions" sites and
waited for my spillover to start. I still am holding onto one
affiliate program that promised me "instant money" and
"instant spillover".(I enjoy and learn from the members forum) I
even advertised some for it and I have yet to get a downline
member. I paid and joined the ad coop to get some of the
company spill over from their advertising and still nothing.


Because I had the attitude that most marketers are told today.
Do nothing and make money on the internet. When I woke up
and could "smell the coffee" I realized that I wanted to be a

It was time to get to WORK.

*Re-wording  ads so they stood
out from everyone else's was at the top of the list. (Why
should I buy from you instead of your competitor?)

*Setting up this web site and trying to keep it updated with
interesting and helpful information is also a plus, you learn
from your research.

*Staying  in contact with downlines members (without
spamming them) is very important. If they don't make money-
neither do you!

I have a marketing plan and follow it - advertise
every where you think it will pay off. Ad tracking  is vital so as
to see what is working and where.

In closing - "What's in it for me"? Exactly what I decide it to be.

What will be in it for you?

If you KNOW you want to be successful and you know you
have to spend time and some money to get there - contact me -
I'll do my best to see that we succeed together.

written-May 2003 by Lois Bodycote, an author and owner of "just an ordinary person" that
has gone through the hard knocks of learning how to earn an
income on the Internet. She makes herself available to others
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