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1.3 Profitable Marketing Plans!

C o n t i n u i n g   D i s c u s s i o n s (2)

1.Good and Evil War - Congratulations to John Olson
~Andy Sparks

2.When they leave
~Marcus Wommer

N e w     P o s t s  (4)

1.William Jaroske
~Putting value into perspective

2.Barnett Bando

3.Becky Brown
~Getting visitors to my website

4.Garland Coulson
~E-mail Marketing Dying?

Site Review Requests   (2)

1.Joy Hunner

2.Patrick Finn

Site Review Responses   (0)

G u e s t   A r t i c l e    (1)
1.Find Your Niche
By Bob Osgoodby

Joke of the Day

================== Word from publisher ====================

Greetings All

Welcome  280 new subscribers who joined list since last mailing.

>From earliest times, communities have formed to provide
a point of identification for members who gather together
to meet common needs of security and support and to harness
the power of mutuality in social, political, and economic interactions.

Successful Communities develop when members recognise that
they are, in fact, a Community through geography or common interest
and contribute to the continuity and strength  of the community,
through active participation for rewards greater than those of individual effort.

AdlandPro is a Community of:

- Free Members
- Affiliates
- Gold Members
- Advertisers
- Subscribers
- Digest Contributors
- Website owners & developers
- Publishers
- Visitors
- many other networks

I'm  proud to announce that 2004 is the year of the AdlandPro Community
and to introduce the release of our AdlandPro Community Program.

Throughout development at AdlandPro since 1998 it has always been
an objective to not be diverted from the concept of a Network based
around our core business activities of advertising, promotion and

We have not adopted or promoted every "next big thing" (which have
often  proven to be short-lived and usually also shorter on delivery)
As a result, the platform offered by AdlandPro has maintained it's integrity
and delivers programs and resources to an overall network in excess
of 200,000 users.

We now offer you the opportunity to become involved in the wider
AdlandPro Community through our new Community Program.

(Please note that link
is just a Beta release of  the community application and is currently
undergoing testing. It is a functional system and contains all initial
features. I'm asking that you visit it and give us your feedback at
the link below)

Community Overview

First of all, membership of the Community is free.

- If you are already a member of AdlandPro
Log in using your existing AdlandPro Member ID at:
- If you are not a member, you can register at:


Every community member gets a homepage with basic profile
information, and you can also add a photo.
These are public pages, the web address will be something like: ID)
These web address can be promoted in search engines, newsletters
and web directories.


Members can also add a webpage to their community pages
- just add your html in the form at "my Web Page"
in the member area.

Have / Want

This is the Skills, Products & Services area.
- Enter your "haves" and "wants" and they will be
available for members of the community and the public
to contact you through the Offers/Requests menu.

Find  (People Find)

Search for People, Places, Interests...
All the fields like Name, City, Industry and Interests etc
are connected to our community database.


Modify your profile and other community info any time

Public and Private

Think of this as a one-to-one communication system
but a one-to-many system of exposure.

Only Community members can respond to each other:
This is automatically spam-limiting

- you can see who it is that contacts you
- community rules will not allow "volume" response abuse
- history of your communication will be available to you for
   feature follow-ups and only visible by you.


If you are an affiliate, the Community is another gateway for you
to use to introduce your prospects to AdlandPro services.
All links on your community pages have your ID embedded.


Most importantly, the Community provides the opportunity
for members to network with each other.
Whether you are buying, selling or learning
Look to YOUR Community first.

How to benefit as a Community Member

1. Get Involved!

Benefits DON"T come from things you might do tomorrow.

2. Be specific - Maximise!
- Every field you fill in is potentially a targeted network.

As program use grows, members will have access to information
sorted by:
City, State, Country, Industry, Interests,Gender,and more.

When you fill in your "Industry" field (for example)
- Don't just lump yourself in to "Internet" - be specific...
enter terms like:
publishing, newsletter publishing, ezine publishing, ebook publishing

3. Create YOUR place and identity in the Community
- Let others know of the expertise and skills you have
- Be AVAILABLE in the Community based on your knowledge and experience

4. Move beyond seeing contact as another opportunity "to sell"
- Use the Community to form relationships in your areas of interest
and business activities

5. Respect Community Standards and the rights and opinions of other members.

You are all welcome at

Bogdan Fiedur


=================3 Profitable Marketing Plans!=====================
From:Larry Dotson

1) Use reward programs to keep people revisiting
your web site and buying your products. You could
reward them with gifts or discounts for revisiting or
buying. For example, you could say "Buy Over ($)
Worth Of Products And Get (product) Free!"
Another example, "Buy (no.) E-books And Get A
50% Discount!"

2) You could offer your potential customers a free
sample of your product. If the sample proves what
you claim, there is a high chance they will buy it.
For example, if you are selling an e-book, give your
prospects a free excerpt or sample chapter. Another
example, if you are selling a print magazine, give
them some online examples of your content.

3) Use incentives to gain referrals if you don't have
an affiliate program. Tell people when they refer
customers you will award them with free products.
For example, you could say "Get 5 FREE E-books
If You Refer 5 Of Your Friends To Our Web Site!"
Another example, "Get Free E-book Cover
Software Valued At ($) When You Refer 3 People
To Our Web Site Who Buy!"

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.1)=============
From:Andy Sparks
Subject:Good and Evil War - Congratulations to John Olson

John wrote;

But what I do know is, GP was a dream that has
turned into a nightmare for many and it's time to move on.

In the next few days, I will be making the changes needed to my sites and

But William, I may have joined GP way back when because the money looked
good, but I also joined because I liked and continue to like what GP was
trying to do. And it's a shame it's been handled the way it has.

This has been a Very Hard decision to make. But it had to be done.

John Olson

John, you may not realize it but you just took a quantum leap forward in
your Internet marketing career.  When you decide to put away the schemes
and dreams, you can focus on real products and real business that deliver
value to your customers.

Your recent post shows a shift in your thinking from, "What do I get?"
"How much can I earn?" to asking "Is this a good value?" "Are my customers
and friends going to get their moneys worth?"

I also was a big time GP defender, recruited a downline and was convinced
it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.  I was wrong.

I just wanted to drop a note congratulating you on your decision and I am
certain it is a good one.

Andy Sparks

Andy Sparks
Why build a web site, when you can build a business?


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.1)=============
From:Marcus Wommer
Subject:When they leave

Bryan McHeyzer wrote:

>OK so you sponsored him/her ...given them plenty of training....helped them
>with their goal setting,web pages,tools,helped them set their advertising
>Then one morning they send you an email to tell you they QUIT.
>How do you respond or react to their decision?

Hi Bryan,

You have given the answer yourself ... Of course we act like professionals
because we are professionals, either as webmaster, affiliate member, Ebook
write on online marketer. We might stand at the beginning of a new career
or be in business for while, earning big money or a small proportion of

Although we might invest lots of time and money in our sub affiliates or
downline we do not own them. They are independent people and they may come
to the conclusion that your or mine business is not right for them. We
have to let them go professionally and rather concentrate on the people
who want to work with us.

All I can say is to avoid to much manually work; we all have to automate
our businesses. Once you have a new subscriber send them all the
information in an automated way. This will save you time and energy to
concentrate on your business.

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It seems that many people who are starting any kind of online business
think that success comes overnight. Let me tell you that success will come
but it needs enthusiasm and hard work as in any other job.

Bryan, when you are in the lucky situation that your downline tells you
when the leave the program, then ask them for their reasons and try to
evaluate what you can do better and improve your program or service.
Internet Business is a constant learning - for all of us.
Good Luck

kind regards
Marcus Wommer

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==============N e w P o s t i n g  (1)=============
From:William Jaroske
Subject:Putting value into perspective

It is pretty clear that it doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize MLM and
hype go hand in hand. Many people today still can not understand the
difference of value when promoting MLM products, or even selling the
opportunity. People want better Value for their money and they are
certainly not going to throw it away on some useless product.

Most likely they will join and promote products that are far out of reach
in affordability. They figure that the more expensive the product the
better chance of success.


I view it as a bunch of bologni that most everyday people feel the need to
sell a product that is most expensive. The most hyped product. Take the
average health MLM product. Most of those products are priced ridiculously
high. It does not make smart sense offering products that cost too much
for the average consumer because there is no apparent value in those
products no matter what anyone says. I don't care if its the most popular
guru that is saying its worth while.

Its plain hogwash!!

Most of these marketers are ill informed and alot are just plain
uneducated when it comes to marketing and many just don't care about what
they peddle  as along they get there check If they get a check at all.

These deceptive opportunity seminars are discussed as Free training
meetings and all will suck alot of money out of your wallet leaving you
penniless.  The following info can be read here about the truth of

And this article states that it has become a national epidemic.

People end up losing their entire life savings when attending seminars.
The reason why they lose their money is they don't realize that products
promoted by seminars have little or no value at all.

People need to re-think what they are getting into and make it their
highest priority to look for the value of the products. There plenty of
items such as board games they can market Like E-Gads. They can be used as
fundraisers or offered through Direct Sales! When you think about it. Over
500 million households WORLDWIDE play board games!
Wouldn't YOU like to bring them the HOTTEST new game
ever created? In a nutshell, people should not miss this incredible

And Right Now C.C.I. is revising their commission structure so members can
start receiving a better monthly residual income at a faster pace along
with tools and resources to use...

The CCI Promoter (Search engine placement tool)

The CCI Auto Responder (Unlimited responders)

The CCI Re-Direct Pro (Shorten your site URL)

The CCI Teaching Cinema (Learn the computer / beginner to webmaster)

The CCI Offline Resources (For those without a computer)

The CCI Virtual Office (To manage and maintain your Marketing)

The CCI Live Training and Presentation Chat room)

The CCI Flash Builder (You build it the way you like it)

The CCI Flash Hosting (We host it for you at no additional cost)

More information can be found at Because C.C.I. Now has a
prescription plan and is working on releasing a product such as a  long
distant calling/game card. That a real good plus for me. I can't wait
until this to make a real impact.

It Makes smart sense by looking for products and programs that have Value
and have a positive mission. Plus help people with search engine placement,
professional marketing tips, live training, educational videos such as the
C.C.I. Teaching Cinema. This is a one-of-a-kind encyclopaedia on teaching
tutorials for just about any computer-related issue or software program
how-to's ...You will not find this kind of information in one place
anywhere else on the Internet.

William Jaroske

Invest in worthwhile opportunities for once. Its plain foolish to promote
gimmicky scams and schemes with no hopes to make money. Get yourself
educated today!!

Note from the Editor,

I usually don't allow on  posts which main purpose is self promotion as
this one is. The interesting part here is, that William was very clear in
most of his past posts about uselessness of other programs particularly
any MLM. I was quite often interested  what  exactly is what he
recommends and how does this compare to his ideas of programs
being useful.

In the past William was very direct in his posts when commenting
others. I'm curious if you would like to investigate his  recommendations
here and put it in to "prospective".

Please don't write just for the sake of personal attacks.
I would like to see very constructive feedback.

Moderator Bogdan Fiedur


==============N e w P o s t i n g  (2)=============
From:Barnett Bando

I am interested in the opinion of how people prospect for new people
to show them their business, the kind of venues i.e. classified ads,
posters , hot pockets flyers on cars talking to people, pull tabs what
works best for you.


Barnett Bando Independent Herbalife distributor transforming peoples lives
thru good health and extraordinary incomes.



==============N e w P o s t i n g  (3)=============
From:Becky Brown
Subject:Getting visitors to my website

I am very new to internet marketing.  I have signed up for countless
opportunities to make money on the internet, and have lost some money in
the process.  I am currently unemployed and working at home would work out
very well for me.
My problem is adding things such as HTML codes, visitor lists, etc.  I
need step-by-step instructions.  I have no problem copying codes; my
problem comes in when I can't copy these codes to my website.  Help!!!

Becky Brown
Owner, Becky's Specialty House



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==============N e w P o s t i n g  (4)=============
From:Garland Coulson
Subject:E-mail Marketing Dying?

I recently had a lady sign up for my
newsletter.  When it didn't arrive, she checked with
her domain name provider (GoDaddy, I think) who said
that the service I was using was from a service known
for spam so all messages using this service were

The service I use ONLY accepts people using opt-in
lists and has strict penalties for people abusing
their system.

While I requested that my service rep work with
GoDaddy to resolve the problem, this started me
thinking about the future of e-mail and newsletter
marketing.  As people use more spam filters, or even
just stop reading email because of all the junk, how
can I ensure people who want my material receive it?

I thought I would ask other members of this list to
share what methods they have used successfully to get
information to people without e-mail.

RSS feeds look like a good possible option, but  I am
concerned that people have to download a reader and
the sites where RSS feeds are listed seem cumbersome
and not beginner-friendly.

Anyone with some experiences with RSS or other
systems they can share?

"Time wasted is existence; time used is life." -
Edward Young

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interesting and sometimes informative. I have to wonder which ones of you
are successful and which ones just have loud opinions. In any case, it is
interesting to read. I just wanted to introduce myself and welcome anyone
to review my websites to possibly give some expert advise.




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 have a nice site (I think ? ) in its first month with very little
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full  resale rights.Its a real people helping people site and I cant get
it of the ground ?? Please take a look at it and tell me what am I doing
wrong ?? thanks in advance for the help the site is             my e mail is
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Find Your Niche
ByBob Osgoodby

You went to all the trouble to develop a "Killer Ad Program",
tested response rates and heavily advertised your product,
service or opportunity, and then - nothing - no business. How
come, you might ask.

The object of the ads is really not to make an immediate sale,
but to get someone to do something - usually request more
particulars by email, or go to a web site for further
information. This is where many ad programs fall apart.

If you are trying to make sales from your web site, there must
be some continuity between the ad, and the web page they see.
Once in awhile an ad will get my attention, I go to their web
site, and can't find the information I was looking for. Trying
to fight my way through a dozen or so banner ads, that have
nothing to do with their offer, I quickly give up. If you are
going to have a web site to sell your opportunity, forget the
banner ads - they are simply a distraction.

A smart entrepreneur will make their ad and the web page
complementary with each other. If someone visits your site, they
should immediately find what brought them there in the first
place. They shouldn't have to search all over the place as they
will quickly lose interest. Remember that people came there to
get information, and not view graphics that bear no relation to
what they want.

While an image of an ocean view might be attractive, unless you
are selling a vacation package, forget about it. The page must
load quickly, and while large images will simply slow it down,
there should be some balance to make the page attractive. Many
of the web pages are simply "boring". People are looking for a
professional image.

Most people who buy on the web are not idiots. Just because your
ad is on the web doesn't give it any magic. If your product is
overpriced, you will not do a whole lot of business.

Someone recently told me that trying to run a web business was a
waste of time. Investigation into what he was trying to do,
quickly revealed he was selling a product for $49.95, that was
available in local stores for $19.95. In this case, he was
right. You should really not try to compete with a large company
or a "brick and mortar" business. The pockets that contain their
buying and advertising dollars are a lot deeper than yours.

But the Internet is a fantastic opportunity for the small
entrepreneur. You just don't want to try and compete with
"Walmart" in the process. Some people are making money every
single day however, so what is their secret? They have found a
"niche" not normally available in the chains, and are
capitalizing on that.

There are thousands of "niche markets" around. Take a look
around and see what others are doing. One good example I have
found is someone who has extended his "brick and mortar" business
to the Internet. Andrae, at <>
basically runs a specialty carpet store, and decided to go online
as well. His web site is complementary to his ads, and the user
can quickly find what they are looking for.

Do you have to have a "brick and mortar" business like Andrae?
No, in point of fact, the majority of people in business on the
web do not. In his case, it is an extension of his regular
business, that happens to work well. Many people however, do not
have a "brick and mortar" business, and operate solely on the

Do you have a hobby that could be turned into a business. I know
a person who collects stamps. His hobby has turned into an
active business. Another person who is an avid gardener,
<> has started marketing her own herbal
remedies. Yet another is an author who writes copy for other web
based businesses.

Time and space prohibit trying to list every opportunity that one
can pursue. What might be of interest to one person, may not be
to another. Everyone is different with different interests and
backgrounds. If you can find your proper "niche market", develop
some "killer ads" and have a complementary web site, you will

Did you know that subscribers to Bob Osgoodby's Free Ezine the
"Tip of the Day" get a Free Ad for their Business at his Web
Site? Great Business and Computer Tips - Monday thru Friday.
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=====================Joke of the Day   (1)===============

TEACHER: Why are you late?
WEBSTER: Because of the sign.
TEACHER: What sign?
WEBSTER: The one that says, "School Ahead, Go Slow."
TEACHER: Cindy, why are you doing your math sums on the floor?
CINDY: You told me to do it without using tables
TEACHER: John, how do you spell "crocodile"?
TEACHER: No, that's wrong
JOHN: Maybe it's wrong, but you ask me how I spell it
TEACHER: What is the chemical formula for water?
TEACHER: What are you talking about?
SARAH: Yesterday you said it's H to O
TEACHER: George, go to the map and find North America.
GEORGE: Here it is
TEACHER: Correct. Now, class, who discovered America?
CLASS: George
TEACHER: Willy, name one important thing we have today that we didn't have ten
years ago.
SILVIA: Dad, can you write in the dark?
FATHER: I think so. What do you want me to write?
SYLVIA: Your name on this report card.
TEACHER: How can you prevent diseases caused by biting insects?
TOM: Don't bite any.
TEACHER: Ellen, give me a sentence starting with"I".
ELLEN: I is . . .
TEACHER: No, Ellen. Always say, "I am."
ELLEN: All right..."I am the ninth letter of the alphabet."
Teacher: "Can anybody give an example of COINCIDENCE?"
Johnny : "Sir, my Mother and Father got married on the same day, same time."
Teacher: "George Washington not only chopped down his father's cherry tree, but
also admitted doing it. Now do you know why his father didn't punish him?"
Johnny : "Because George still had the axe in his hand?"
At a church school gathering, one little old lady approached a cute
5-year-old girl and asked her where she got her good looks.
"I musta got 'em from my Daddy," said the little girl, "'cause Mommy's still got
Teacher: Now, children, if I saw a man beating a donkey and stopped him, what
virtue would I be showing?
Student: Brotherly love?
Teacher: Now, Sam, tell me frankly do you say prayers before eating? Sam:No sir,
I don't have to. My mom is a good cook.
Teacher: Desmond, your composition on "My Dog" is exactly the same as your
brother's. Did you copy his?
Desmond: No, teacher, it's the same dog
TEACHER: Tommy, why do you always get so dirty?
TOMMY: Well, I'm a lot closer to the ground than you are.

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