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2.Scam Reports???
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~Cathy Wagner

3.Tom Falco-Prospecting
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~Marcus Wommer

4.Autoresponder without monthly fee
~Lois M. Jeary
~Bill Reed

5.Need help with advertising
~Adrian Elman
~Cheryl Hovey
~John Olson

6.How can i target a 1000 people to see my free seminar  ....
~Morris Swinamer
~Rodney Favors
~John Olson

7.The importance of the product
~Cathy Wagner
~John Olson

8.Putting value into perspective
~Cathy Wagner
~John Olson

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When I received them, my first thought was let's do it and go
to other tasks.
After reading them, I felt that although they were requests to
terminate my service, they had actually positive aspect.

Please check them out.

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From: Charlie Cummings

Hi - - -

After the current month is over and the pre-paid ads and memberships have
run their course, I want to terminate my membership with AdlandPro.

The service you folks provide is exceptional.  The situation is that I am
retiring and no longer want to continue with the promotion campaigns I
have been involved with.

On that happy note, please cancel all my participation with AdlandPro at
the appropriate time. Thanks for your help in the past, and continued
success with your company - - - you're the best at what you do.

Best Regards,  Charlie Cummings

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From:Clarence Jump

Please cancel my account, due to my health I will not be able to work on
my computer. I want to thank you for the use of your great service.

Sincerely,
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These people didn't have to say anything more,  just request
to cancel the service.

Even more surprising was call 2 days ago, when one Gentlemen
called me to  thank you me for the great service he is receiving
from Adlandpro. I asked him then "How can I help you?".
He said, he just wanted to say thank you.
We talked about the weather for couple more minutes.

I asked him to call me more often at my 1-800 number.

You need to know from time to time that what you are doing
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From:Paul Penafiel

Hi Bogdan,

I have been subscribing to your newsletter since I got
online way back in 2000, that's when I got started
learning about internet marketing.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for
giving me a place to post all of my free classifieds,
educating me on every thing about network marketing by
reading from your experts subscribers, although I wish
some would participate more often, you know like Dianne
Hughs or Jimmy D Brown.  They have post hundreds of
valuable articles and tips since I can remember but it's
cool, I still have alot of respect for them.

You have helped thousands of people out there get started on their online
ventures which have profited
greatly I'm sure but there's thousands more out there
just waiting and I know Adland Digest will be there to
great them with open arms.

You are truly a wonderful person who love to help others
and you have provided a wonderful online community.

Thank you so much for everything, I just want you to
know that someone from Vancouver,BC really appreciate
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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.1)=============
From:Paul Penafiel
Subject:Best Safelist

In my opinion, the best free safelist that you can join
is Adtactics.com.  I've been using them for last 2 years
now which is great because some safelist don't last that
long.  The people that run the safelist are Jon Atwood
and Marc Quarles, very dedicated, very smart, customer
service oriented and professional individuals.

Adtactics is a credit based system which means that when
you receive email messages from other members, it gives
you a credit ranging from 0-1000 or more which you can
accumulate so you can in turn send your ads to all members. You normally
have to click on those links in
order to get credited.

They offer wide range of services such as banner exchange, traffic
exchange, getpaidtoread email, and a
forum that's open to the public.

I am convinced that this safelists will be around for a
while giving the owners commitment to being the most
responsive free safelist on the net.  Just last week
they had to cancel most of the inactive members which
brought their membership down to just over 3,000 from
15,000 members that were not on vacation.

Hope that helps.

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.1)=============
From:Mike O Sullivan
Subject:Scam Reports???

Greetings,

In reference to your recent posts with Cathy's recommendation to visit the
Scam Reports before joining any business, I would have to agree with
Mirielle, most are a scam as well.

The only difference is what they are selling, and if they are selling
their Scam logo without regard to proper research being done on company
they sell to, then they are indeed worse than the companies they
represent.

The problem is, WorldWideScam is no better, but they at least do not sell
their logo.  Whenever you visit any of these sites that supposedly have
the consumers interest in mind, you have to ask yourself, why?

All these so called scam report sites are simply making money on the
newbies who think the are reading the truth, when in most cases it is all
heresy reported by disgruntled former distributors or many times the
competition.

Most of these scam sites are themselves scams, so don't be fooled, do your
own research, don't believe what you read by third parties to make a
decision, you need balance, so take it with a thread of truth at most.  Do
you really think anyone would report on other companies without a self
serving motivation?  It is all about money, always has been, always will
be, so beware of all so called scam reports.

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.2)=============
From:Cathy Wagner
Subject:Scam Reports???

Hi Mireille,

I am very glad to have given you a good laugh. :)

Personally, I have no interest in any scam report. I think I can spot a scam
when I see one and I am not looking for any new opportunities, so the point is
really moot for me.

Thank you for your concern, but I was just giving Mr. Jaroske a taste of his own
medicine. :D


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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (3.1)=============
From:Jane Fulton
Subject:Tom Falco-Prospecting

Hi Tom,

Jane Fulton here from http://janes-place.com
I have to disagree with you on the Free business cards. I have ordered
them myself from Vista Print and they are the highest quality! I was truly
shocked when I received them. I thought like you, in a way. I thought what
kind of quality can you get from Free. Boy was I wrong!

My target market are newbies and I teach them to make their own business
cards, but I have also advertised for Vista Print and their Free business
cards.

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (3.2)=============
From:Marcus Wommer
Subject:Tom Falco-Prospecting

in reply to Tom Falco from Digest # 380, Jan-26


Hi Tom,
thanks for reading and reviewing my comments on the use
of business cards.
On certain points I can agree with you, on others not.

> "First of all, the cards you get "free" are crap ... "

I totally disagree with you and can only say mine are
not and it is probably not up to both of us to make an
objective comment on them. Let everybody decide for him-
/herself.


> "You need to promote your business with class
> and style, not with the cheap way out. The
> potential clients can see that you are going
> the cheap way and truly reflects on your
> business in a very poor manner. The business
> card is the first thing people see many times
> in the way of introduction to your business.

I agree with you here.


> Cheap, free cards are not the way to go and
> they never have been."

I disagree with you on this. Not knowing what your
experience is ... mine is positive and I get positive
response and feedback from people you got their cards.
If your experience is negative I am sorry; this is the
way it is - not everything is working out well for
everybody.

I feel it all depends what you are doing in your online
business. Mine is selling cat/pets products and I do
not earn my living Free business cards.
I use them because it's fun, and let me tell you, they
do drive traffic to my site and I gain prospects. I
have no reason to complain and I did not get any
complaints from people you ordered them.

>From your perspective I understand that free business
cards must be a thorn in your flesh as you are trying
to sell them. I would feel the same when someone would
give away for free what I try to sell ....


Here again my link for FREE business/personal cards

 http://www.free-business-cards.netfirms.com

for all of those who got interested in this topic and
have not had a chance to look at it before.

Tom, maybe we can agree to disagree ...

Kind regards & Good Luck!

Marcus


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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (4.1)=============
From:Lois M. Jeary
Subject:Autoresponder without monthly fee

Hi Bogdan and Fellow Adlanders

In response to Judie Urquhart's "P.S.  does anyone have a good autoresponder
that is cheap and don't have to pay monthly fees?"

I've used AutoResponse Plus for some time now.  I chose it for the simple reason
that once I made the purchase, I didn't have to keep paying monthly fees.  It's
not a difficult program to work with and has loads of options that should cover
just about anything you need it for.

Here's the link:  http://home4success.com/go/to.cgi?l=ARP

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (4.2)=============
From:Bill Reed
Subject:Autoresponder without monthly fee

Judie,
"Quote"
P.S.  does anyone have a good autoresponder that is cheap and don't have
to pay monthly fees?
 "End Quote"

You are very wise to consider having your own autoresponder instead of
paying the monthly fees to an Autoresponder Service.


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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (5.1)=============
From:Adrian Elman
Subject:Need help with advertising

Hi Bogdan,

In issue # 380 Morris Swinamer discussed
his "back door" method for building his list
of potential customers / downline.

It seems he feels using free advertising in
order to get spammed and then counter the
attack with his offer is a good marketing
technique if operating on a tight budget.

My only comment to readers who might be
new to the game is ignore everything Morris
said unless you are in a suicidal mood.

Who in their right mind would compile their
prospect list knowing it was loaded with
spammers? I suggest a reality check may
be in order.

Regards,
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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (5.2)=============
From:Cheryl Hovey
Subject:Need help with advertising

Thank you Morris for your helpful information. I am one who was more than
happy to send for your advise for advertising on a shoestring budget:
successable@freeautobot.com :-) I have to say though, that I have been
fortunate as I have received a very good response by placing free ads for
my business in QUALITY newsletters. Many of which offer free weekly ads
and contests for solo and top sponsor ads. Most of the newsletters that
participate in the Admistress coop are read by many people and show a good
response rate.
 And I have to say you cannot beat the Adland Digest for getting the word
out about your business.If you want to get your moneys worth for a well
spent paid ad Adland is great. As a matter in point, a friend of mine, Tony
Tezak, http://www.coffeefair.com/?a=1073
placed a paid ad in the Adland Digest and really got his moneys worth. He
received a large amount of signups to join his team from that one ad
alone. That was money well spent for him :-)
I have to say that it is well worth spending the time it takes to place
free ads in reputable newsletters and if you are going to pay for an ad,
by all means go to Adland Digest and get your moneys worth

Cheryl Hovey

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (5.3)=============
From:John Olson
Subject:Need help with advertising

Morris,

My first response to your suggestion in Adland #380 was to say, sp-amming
a sp-ammer with your own sales message is still sp-am. And as such, not a
good thing to be doing.

But, when I read what you were sending them, I thought, someone just might
be able to get away with that. If you don't mention any program or
opportunity or product. Doing so, even in a signature could be considered
sp-am.

But what you're asking is, if what they are doing is working? And if they
reply to you after that, you have a good case for sending them anything
you want. Though I would follow up only with information in response to
what they answer back with. But you could certainly work in what you're
doing and what programs are working for you.

It's a interesting way of getting a sp-ammer on your mailing list. The
question to ask is, do you really want a sp-ammer on your mailing list?

I will be interested to read what others have to say about your idea.

Good luck,

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (6.1)=============
From:Morris Swinamer
Subject:How can i target a 1000 people to see my free seminar  ....

Hello Thordur Runars,

 You said >i thing that has to many beginners burn on all kind of bull, i
hope that i
don't have to burn that way to,

  This comes from the heart. You don't have to get burned...If you do YOUR
homework first!

If you are thinking of purchasing 1000's of targeted leads...
(from my own personal experience)  Take the money that
a "Supposed Targeted List" would cost you and blow it
at Vegas. At least you will have some fun while you lose your hard earned
money.

  Thordur, unless you have a bank roll for your advertising budget, don't
expect to get instant results. Successful Internet Businesses take a lot
of time and effort to become even a modest income generator.
(I am sure that most of AdLand's readers would agree with that) To become
an "Overnight Success", you might as well get comfortable and be ready to
invest a couple of years of honest effort.

  You should definitely take a little time to post your business in the
AdLandPro Community. It's Free and your posting will immediately be
available to all of AdlandPro's subscribers.  It's simply too good to pass
up!

  Without sounding too critical...Why would you not want to post your
business listing (HERE) when you posted your request for help?
It's an ideal opportunity to get your ad out in front of thousands of
people who just might be looking for what you have to offer.
Here's a little Nugget that is well worth remembering.
The majority of News Letters are EXCELLENT places to promote your
Business.
AdLandPro is one of the Shining Stars, because the readers are (For the
most Part) VERY helpful. Use the AdLandPro Newsletters!  They're GREAT!!!
:)

  If you don't have one yet, create for yourself, a SIG file.
If you are not sure what a Sig file is...(In a Nut Shell)  It's a short
advertisement that can be included at the end of your email
communications. (To use them safely, it's probably best to use them on
REPLY email ONLY) Some people view Sig files as a
form of Spam.

  Anything that's worth having, should be worth working for, RIGHT?
You said that you like your business...Don't be afraid to ' Toot your horn
' a little bit and by all means, don't cheat yourself by not investing
some time
in learning how to market on the Net.
  Sure, it's going to require some effort to get it started, but your
rewards down the road, will be worth the effort it takes for you to reach
your goals!

Having said that, if your immediate upline cannot provide the answers that
you need, DON'T GIVE UP !!!  Just look farther UP in your upline for the
support that you require.
Sounds to me like you need a Mentor to guide you. Surely, someone in your
upline can put you on a proven path to success.
On the other hand, if you cannot find anyone willing to help you, perhaps
you might want to reconsider the business that you are involved with.
There are numerous credible Internet Businesses with truly GREAT upline
support systems.
Whatever you do...Make sure you do your homework first and investigate ALL
of your options!

Wishing you much success!

Morris Swinamer


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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (6.2)=============
From:Rodney Favors
Subject:How can i target a 1000 people to see my free seminar  ....

One good way to get people to sign up for your free report, and then sign
up for your seminar is through the various forums on the net. For example,
lets say that your free report is "5 easy ways to increase sign-ups to any
newsletter". What you want to do is make a interesting post to the forums
which is an excerpt from your report. You can give them the first two of
the 5 easy ways in the forum post. Then, at the end of your post put "to
receive this full report send a blank e-mail to _________". Fill in the
blank with your autoresponder that will send them the full report. Make
sure you include, at the very top of the report, an invitation to join
your free seminar. There are two keys to making this work - 1. You must
have a catchy headline so people will read your post. 2. Your post must be
very informative, not just sales hype. You want to hook them with good,
useable information. Once they perceive that you have something to offer
that will be of assistance to them they will be happy to receive the full
report. Also, make sure that you only post in forums that are relevant to
the subject of your post. If you post an internet marketing report in a
cooking forum it not only will be quickly removed but it will make a very
bad impression to anyone that reads the post. I hope this helps,

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (6.3)=============
From:John Olson
Subject:How can i target a 1000 people to see my free seminar  ....

Thordur,

You just targeted, 27,000 people when you posted this. But you didn't give
them a site address to look over what you have to offer.

Also, you need a good proof-reader to go over what you write. My guess
would be, English is not your first language. But for better or worse, the
Net and most of the people who you may want to see what you have to offer,
speak, read and write in English. And to make a good impression on them
and get your points across, you need to work on your English writing
skills.

Good luck,

John Olson


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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (7.1)=============
From:Cathy Wagner
Subject:The importance of the product

Hi Adrian,

You said "Cathy, on the other hand, believes that one should stick to
consumables so that you don't have to keep searching for new customers. That is
something I have always felt also except that it isn't necessarily correct. If
it was then answer me this..."

I just wanted to clarify my position here. I don't think that every product has
to be consumable in order for it to be a good product, but it certainly is a
plus. You are absolutely correct when you talk about people buying multiple
television sets, but I just don't imagine many families buying multiple versions
of Mr. Jaroske's board game. I was talking about his product specifically and
why I would not be likely to jump in and start selling it myself.


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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (7.2)=============
From:John Olson
Subject:The importance of the product

Adrian,

It's John, not Jon...
;-)

Right on the money, it's the product that drives the business, any
business online or off, MLM or not.

After your post here, I did give IA Revolution and Performance Pro another
look. Didn't download the trial offer though. And I'm still not excited
about it. But then I am finding it hard to get excited about anything new
these days. I guess, I'm just getting old.

I didn't see, but can I market it without buying it?

I do wish you well with it and I hope they'll be around for years to come.
Just don't get so rich or busy you forget about QuickTell, I need that
product of yours.


John Olson


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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (8.1)=============
From:Cathy Wagner
Subject:Putting value into perspective

William,

I appreciate you taking the time to say "Please don't take this the wrong way by
saying that I'm attacking you. I'm so puzzled."

The truth is I love board games, we play games frequently and of course we have
Candyland; my children are the perfect age for that one and it is a good example
here. No where in Candyland are participants encouraged, or even enabled, to
affect their opponents ability to win.

E-Gads seemed to say that the object of the game is not only to win, but to
actively try to make your opponents lose as well. It is that kind of philosophy
that I do not condone and I will not expose my children to it as a form of
"family fun."

You also said, "Good grief, where did you get into the thinking of referring 5
friends. Geez,  I thought you understood the marketing arena. And why are you
labelling C.C.I. into another SFI (Six Figure Income) program. Cathy. Please let
me remind you that this nonsense whining does not do you any good and certainly
is not making your affiliates look good either."

As far as CCI is concerned, I would like to say that I was not whining, but
merely stating my opinion of the information offered. I agree 100% with John
Olson, that when a program pushes their affiliate program and potential earnings
more then the value of the product, it is best to leave it alone.

When I see a web site that uses such an outrageous claim as $4,000 a month for
life as the sole content for their main page, I do not look any further. Having
said this, I have no idea what the actual specifics of CCI are, I never even
looked. I was giving my impression based on my experience: in most cases, the
way you earn is by referring other people to a program and it is only the top
earners who even come close to the promised earning potential.

I didn't label CCI as another SFI, I was merely reminded of SFI when you said
prescription plan. I notice you did not clarify what you seem to think is my
lack of understanding (what DO you need to do in order to earn the big bucks?)

I don't think you addressed John's points either, except maybe to illustrate
them further. Products are not the same as Tools and if CCI expects that
visitors will read every page in order to get a clear understanding of their
program, then they are expecting far too much initial interest from their
prospects. They should spell it out on the first page.


All I see is criticism of our opinions here and no actual defence for CCI. I
think if anyone is whining, it is you.


Have a Profitable Day,

Cathy Wagner

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (8.2)=============
From:John Olson
Subject:Putting value into perspective

William,

You wrote:

"The common reason is that they get into the (we need to keep up with the
Jones's mindset.) Which is the same as throwing hard earned money away.
Kind of foolish, don't you think? lets look at the $1,000 dollar suit over
the $150 suit. would it make more sense to buy the $150 suit over the one
that costs $1,000. That a $850 dollar difference in savings"

William, I won't say you're completely wrong, because sometimes there is a
need to keep up with the Jones'. But for some, they just like the feel,
look and quality of a $1,000 suit over the look and feel of a $150 suit.
There is also the matter of different tastes to be considered. We're all
different people William, and that's what make the World go-round.

As far as not looking over the Teaching Cinema that CCI offers, well I
guess I missed that one. But the whole first part of the site is all about
the Money to be made. You have to look hard to find real products.

Let me ask you this William, what products can you sell, as a CCI member,
that don't require someone to join or sign up as a member? Or even be
forced to wade through the opportunity stuff? I know the Game thing is
through CCI, if I remember correctly, what else is there?

Good luck with the Game,


John Olson


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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (9.1)=============
From:Cyndi Holmes
Subject:Small wholesale distributing busines

Jeannie,

I would highly recommend networking in the mom's sites, like
unlimitedmoms.com, etc. (Do a search, 'work at home moms'). Lots of
women's sites also. They often have a place in their forums that allow an
advertisement and you may find posts of people looking for jobs (not
opps).

Also, you can search for 'work at home ezine' and place advertisements in
the ezines you find. The people who actually read these would be your
target market. You will have to learn how to write a good advertisement in
the space allowed though.

Cyndi Holmes


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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (9.2)=============
From:John Olson
Subject:Small wholesale distributing business

Jeannie,

I don't think you want to do anything with a mailing list, you want to
find real people who are looking for a real job. At least that's what I
get from your post. I know there are several JOB Search sites on the Web,
like Monster.com and others. You might try looking into what it costs to
list a Job on those sites.

One thing you might have done right here, is to lay out a little more
about what kind of person you are looking for and where in the world they
could be from. Who knows, there just might be someone reading Adland who
would be interested.

Good luck,

John Olson


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==============N e w P o s t i n g  (2)=============
From:Bruce Shanks
Subject:International marketing

If you've got an opportunity that has great appeal for those in other
counties, what works to get them to your site?

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==============N e w P o s t i n g  (3)=============
From:Cyndi Holmes
Subject:Any Experience with MLM Genealogy Lists?

I am a founder in a new global health products MLM, like VERY new, just a
few weeks old. In contemplating how to promote this, I realized I would do
best to target MLM'ers for the first few months.

MLM'er won't need to be sold on MLM and may have the experience to see
that the new company has quite a bit to offer.

I did a search "recruit heavy hitters". This was enlightening as I
discovered the sale of MLM genealogy lists or current MLM companies or
defunct companies. All the sites say pretty much what I had realized and
that heavy hitters know to go after other MLM'ers when launching a new
company. The prices varied widely.

So, does anyone have any experience working these lists? I can see how it
could be hard going, and it would require a lot of calling. I would expect
the email addresses to likely be out-of-date and the spam complaint risk
to high to use them as they would not have been opt-in.

This one sounded like a reasonable price and strategy:
http://www.safemlmleads.com/mlm-lead-prices.html

Another approach:
http://lead-giant.com/downlines.htm

Any experiences here appreciated. I already know a fair bit about home biz
op seeker email leads with autoresponders but haven't used that approach
for 6 months since Seasilver went down for a while.

Also, any good or bad experiences with the leads of Traffic Oasis?

Thanks,
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==============N e w P o s t i n g  (4)=============
From:Lorraine Sharpless
Subject:What do I do?

Hi,
I am just getting started with Internet Marketing and this is the first
time I am posting a message. I have no idea as to what to expect.  I'm not
ever sure what will happen after I send this message out, so if I can get
some advise, I would appreciate it.

I am 54 years old, married, and my youngest son is getting married in a
few months. My husband and I are looking forward to retiring in about 7
years and travel.  We like to ride motorcycles and camp and that is how we
plan to see this beautiful country of ours. However, we probably will not
have enough money from social security and our retirement fund to live the
way we are accustomed to.  But I didn't want to be stuck at home with an
8 - 5 job.

Internet Marketing seemed like the way to go. I was introduced to a health
product that I really like and they have great tools, including a company
web site, plus one I can build. But what I like most about it is that it
also has a humanitarian thrust.  The company is willing to donate a
serving of this health product to a starving and malnourished child for
every serving sold.  My church is one of the qualified distribution
centers for delivering this health product to our mission field in Cuba
and Haiti.  We are just getting started but we are already getting good
testimonies from individuals in these countries who are getting these free
servings.

Although this is a good way for me to make extra money for our retirement
I am really excited about helping these little children.  Now, I just need
help to get this message out to the masses.

I welcome any bonefide plan.


Lorraine Sharpless


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