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Topics in this issue:

Sponsor Message
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1. Paul Penafiel's Thank You

C o n t i n u i n g   D i s c u s s i o n s (8)

1.International marketing
~Amalia Sotiriadou

2.The importance of the product
~Adrian Elman

3.What Do I Do?
~Jane Fulton

4.Autoresponder without monthly fee
~Lewis Leake, Jr.

5.Any Experience with MLM Genealogy Lists?
~Charles Green
~Joy Hunner

6.Scam Reports
~William  Jaroske
~Mireille Carrier

7.Putting value into perspective
~William Jaroske
~Mireille Carrier

8.Need help with advertising
~Morris Swinamer
~Morris Swinamer
~Morris Swinamer

N e w     P o s t s  (5)

1.Bob Culbertson
~Have you learned anything today?

2.Ed Pena
~Cash Culture Question

3.Rudolph Burgzorg
~Hot New Strategy Called Matrix Email Marketing

4.Michael A
~New to Online Marketting

5.Marcus Brown

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Greetings All

Welcome  380 new subscribers who joined list since last mailing.

Adlandpro community gets more interests and new features are
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Adlandpro community created additional 25% of traffic to entire
Adlandpro Network. This is good indication that the concept
is working. We just need more registered users, so they can
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Adlandpro community is a place to get you noticed, build your
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You can place your offers and requests, you can publish your
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for other people of the community using criteria like interests,
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All this for free.

Now you can even get rewarded if you invite other users
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- automatically send up to four messages per month to all
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- run your own free private discussion board and have
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Invite any friends from this link.

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I hope this is a good and promising offer.

Adland Digest Moderator
Bogdan Fiedur

=================Thank you very much=====================
From:Morris Swinamer

Hello Bogdan,

Paul Penafiel said what all Adland Digest Readers
should be saying much more often. Thank you Bogdan!
All too often, we take things for granted and we need
to be reminded now and then to give credit,where
credit is due. It's so easy for us (the readers) to
come in here and take advantage of this awesome

Only Bogdan Fiedur knows what it took to build this
forum to where it is today. I'm willing to bet that
Bogdan Fiedur could be teaching seminars on How To
Build Successful Businesses and making Mega Bucks.
Personally, I'm glad that Bogdan didn't abandon this
newsletter and persue a career in motivational
speaking. We need you here, Bogdan!

Although I took no part in your journey to success, I
just want to once again echo Paul Penafiel and say
thank you Bogdan; you don't have to about worry
whether or not you are on the right track.  Adland
stands as a testament to your success and reputation.

I have also been a long time reader, but until issue
#380, I have never contributed anything. At times, I
see petty arguments between people who are extremely
intelligent and with so much "Great Know-How" to
share. Because of little indifferences, someone will
get all bent out of shape and the insults begin to
fly. I can't begin to imagine what you must feel like
to be moderating. Perhaps, it's like being an
airtraffic controller at one of the Big hubs? Trying
to keep 'The Heavy A/C' away from a major collision course. I don't really
know.  :)

I am very greatful that you are at the controls and I
feel extremely priviledged to be able have my say, for
what it's worth.

Special thank you to Paul Penafiel for the gentle
reminder to us.

Morris Swinamer
Nova Scotia
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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.1)=============
From:Amalia Sotiriadou
Subject:International marketing

Dear Bruce,

I will start by stating the obvious: translate your website into the
language of the countries you are targeting! English might SEEM like the
universal language, but believe me, it is not. People will understand your
offer better if it is presented in their own mother tongue. And as an
experienced translator, let me caution you: make sure that the
translator's native tongue is the one he is translating into.
Beyond that, you can do wonders attracting customers from any place on
Earth you like by using guaranteed targeted visitors. I noticed that your
splash page is fast loading and well made, so you should have no problem
in using this advertising medium. If you are wondering where to find such
super-targeted visitors, please forgive me for recommending my own

Good luck,

MoneyPops! Advertise and EARN
Become a Professional Marketer in MINUTES!



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.1)=============
From:Adrian Elman
Subject:The importance of the product

Adrian Elman

Hi John,

In issue # 381 John Olson said "I didn't see,
but can I market it without buying it?" John,
the answer is no. Only purchasers have the
option to get involved in referral sales.

You also said "I do wish you well with it and
I hope they'll be around for years to come.
Just don't get so rich or busy you forget about
QuickTell, I need that product of yours."

I'm not actually promoting it John although
I will admit that I like the way they are selling
it and the support they give affiliates is quite
astounding! As for QuickTell, it is more of an
obsession than a business so I guarantee
I won't ever forget it. In fact, you should login
to the support forum at least once a week
to keep up with all the new features added.
That's the only place we disclose them.

Figure that last year we added 67 features.
So far this year we have added another 7
and have 11 more currently in development.
So please drop in for a read and feel free
to post if you wish.

Adrian Elman

QuickTell Autoresponders (intermediates +)
QT-Pro Autoresponders (all skill levels)


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (3.1)=============
From:Jane Fulton
Subject:What Do I Do?

Lorraine Sharpless wrote.

>I am just getting started with Internet Marketing and this is the first
>time I am posting a message. I have no idea as to what to expect.  I'm not
>ever sure what will happen after I send this message out, so if I can get
>some advise, I would appreciate it.

If you need help getting your business going, I suggest you go here for

This is where to start if you are new to internet marketing.


Jane Fulton
Owner & Webmistress



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (4.1)=============
From:Lewis Leake, Jr.
Subject:Autoresponder without monthly fee

In response to the question - Autoresponder without monthly fee, I
recommend the Add2it autoresponder. The script is very easy to install on
your host site and it is a lot cheaper than paying monthly fees. Your pay
back time would probably be just a few months. You can get more info here:

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (5.1)=============
From:Charles Green
Subject:Any Experience with MLM Genealogy Lists?

Cyndi Holmes wrote:
> So, does anyone have any experience working these lists? I can see how it
> could be hard going, and it would require a lot of calling. I would expect
> the email addresses to likely be out-of-date and the spam complaint risk
> to high to use them as they would not have been opt-in.


We have access to downline genealogy lists via the members area of our
Success Online Now site (  We also have access
to training about how to use them PROPERLY.

During a couple of conference calls, long-time MLM heavy-hitter, Tracy
Biller, who is NOT involved with our company (yet) shared step-by-step
training about how he uses them, what to say, how to say it, etc.  The
audio of the calls is available to Success Online Now Gold members.

The method Tracy teaches involves calling them on the phone and running
through what is essentially a 30 second "script".  The way you approach
these people (following Tracy's advice) rarely upsets anyone.

I can't/won't give all the details here.  I have to hold some stuff
back.  You can begin by following the first few steps.
1. Go to Tracy Biller's site at
2. Download "The Fastest Way to Build A Large MLM Downline" (it's free)
3. Read it.  (Don't laugh.  People do download ebooks and not read them)
4. If you like his concepts and want to learn more, return to to order his training tape

NOTE: This is NOT an affiliate URL.  I get exactly $0 for telling you.

> Also, any good or bad experiences with the leads of Traffic Oasis?

Our personal sponsor in our primary business is a Triple Diamond Black
Pearl (top of the company).  A fortnight ago, he and another Triple
Diamond Black Pearl sat down with myself and 12 other people and shared
some ideas and stuff.  The other guy said NOT to use Traffic Oasis
leads.  This was not a throw-away comment.  He is familiar with Traffic

While you are free to choose, I would consider the advice of
one of these guys to be well worth following.

One of the best paths to success is to follow in the footsteps of
someone who has successfully gone before you.

I wish you well,


Charles & Kerri Green are Tahitian Noni International Independent
Distributors with downline on three continents.  Their prospects
often praise their "ANY questions, ANY time, Just Ask!" policy.


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (5.2)=============
From:Joy Hunner
Subject:Any Experience with MLM Genealogy Lists?

Hi Cyndi,
I see you mentioned Traffic Oasis. I have had experience with them and
feel it to be way over priced for the response I received. I finally
decided to stop paying the large monthly fee. I didn't like MLM so I moved
on to an internet business I could really enjoy.

This is the first post for me after months of reading and forming
opinions. I just want to say that John Olson, I like your nice, straight
forward manner. No reason to be sarcastic or rude like some of the posts.
We are all just trying to succeed.

I will continue to post when I feel I have something to offer.

The Mall That Never Closes


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (6.1)=============
From:William  Jaroske
Subject:Scam Reports

Mike O Sullivan states

"The only difference is what they are selling, and if they are selling
their Scam logo without regard to proper research being done on company
they sell to, then they are indeed worse than the companies they

The problem is, WorldWideScam is no better, but they at least do not sell
their logo.  Whenever you visit any of these sites that supposedly have
the consumers interest in mind, you have to ask yourself, why?"
-end quote-

Mike. Your confusing the WorldWideScam with other scam reporting sites
that Make a business out of scam reporting. alot of these sites won't give
you full details on a suspected scam if any at all until you sign up.

All these so called scam report sites are simply making money on the
newbies who think the are reading the truth, when in most cases it is all
heresy reported by disgruntled former distributors or many times the
-end quote-

Oh I can see why your jealous of the WWSN because you say it makes money
by telling newbies that is not the truth. What makes you so different.
Seems to me that you want to join every new launch out there in hopes it
will be a scam. Then get disgruntled from it by saying it may be a scam.
stay away from it.

Cathy Wagner states
Hi Mireille,
I am very glad to have given you a good laugh. :)

Personally, I have no interest in any scam report. I think I can spot a
scam when I see one and I am not looking for any new opportunities,
so the point is really moot for me.
Thank you for your concern, but I was just giving Mr. Jaroske a taste of
his own medicine. :D
-end quote-

That is so funny Cathy, I don't recall you giving a taste of my own

And Cathy. Don't forget to have a profitable day.

William  Jaroske

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (6.2)=============
From:Mireille Carrier
Subject:Scam Reports

First, I'll address Cathy, because oh boy do you give me some good laughs.
This one below was worth a million bucks!  Please, don't try to collect
just yet.  :)

Thank you for your concern, but I was just giving Mr. Jaroske a taste of
his own medicine. :D

That nearly made me choke!  lol  I like your posts Cathy, whether I agree
or not.  But this time, I agree with you 100%.

Mike, I mentioned WWSN because they don't sell anything to anyone.  They
are 100% free.  Not all companies listed on the radar are scams, and it
definitely needs to be updated for sure, but overall, Bob Burtis does a
very good job.  Now, notice that I'm not talking about their discussion
board, that's a whole different story, and the LAST place to go if you
want an OBJECTIVE opinion on anything.  That's an anti-MLM site.

But about WWSN, Bob Burtis presents BOTH SIDES of the story.  He doesn't
just take anyone's word for it, he contacts the owner(s) of the programs
and posts all correspondence on his site for everyone to view.  After
reading everything, people can make their own opinions.

People get scammed every day on the internet.  Contrary to what many seem
to believe, the majority of these people are NOT idiots.  The main reason
for starting an online business is to make money, but I'd bet that few are
willing to get scammed or scam others in order to reach their goals.

Scams sites exist to help those who are just starting out or those who
have been scammed.  It helps them recognize the warning signs before
jumping into another program.  It's not because it's a scam that people
don't make money, and it's not because some people are not making any
money that it's a scam.

Just my thoughts, of course...


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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (7.1)=============
From:William Jaroske
Subject:Putting value into perspective

The following comments Cathy said

"You are absolutely correct when you talk about people buying multiple
television sets, but I just don't imagine many families buying multiple
versions of Mr. Jaroske's board game. I was talking about his product
specifically and why I would not be likely to jump in and start selling it myself"

"E-Gads seemed to say that the object of the game is not only to win, but
to actively try to make your opponents lose as well. It is that kind of
philosophy that I do not condone and I will not expose my children to it as
a form of "family fun."

Cathy, don't you think that your over reacting. Its just a game Cathy. You
can hoot and hollar on how evil Monopoly is, or how the game of chess
doesn't teach children right. What about the game of Sorry. Can you tell
us what games on the market is good or bad since you are such an expert on
board games.

You further say

"As far as CCI is concerned, I would like to say that I was not whining,
but merely stating my opinion of the information offered. I agree 100% with
John Olson, that when a program pushes their affiliate program and potential
earnings more then the value of the product, it is best to leave it alone."

So you say trust John Olson. He's the best expert out there. Do you know
he is Staff writer of the Scam Report. And since I brought up Scam Report
in which has no credibility as a scam reporting website as a whole.
Because it sells its logo to anyone who wants to pay for it. Even the
scammers can buy the Scam report logo and put it on their site.  So Cathy,
are you saying that if a website is displaying the Scam Report Logo, It's
a trustworthy website and sites that don't display their logo a suspected
scams and frauds? Think about it.

"When I see a web site that uses such an outrageous claim as $4,000 a
month for life as the sole content for their main page, I do not look any further.
Having said this"

"I don't think you addressed John's points either, except maybe to
illustrate them further. Products are not the same as Tools and if CCI expects
that visitors will read every page in order to get a clear understanding of
their program, then they are expecting far too much initial interest from their
prospects. They should spell it out on the first page"

So Cathy, as you are saying if it does not look like your website, talk
like your website, market like your website and its not a worthwhile
website at all the way you put it?

John said

"Let me ask you this William, what products can you sell, as a CCI member,
that don't require someone to join or sign up as a member? Or even be
forced to wade through the opportunity stuff? I know the Game thing is
through CCI, if I remember correctly, what else is there?"

Well there are products like Bob Slater's e-book Mathematics of success. A
simple formula.

1) The two most powerful ingredients needed for you to be successful!

2) The Simple Formula for Success.

3) A step by step process that even a novice can use and teach others.

4) How to build an organization that even the Guru's would envy!

You can purchase or sell the CCI C4 game card

John I hope this answers your questions

William Jaroske

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (7.2)=============
From:Mireille Carrier
Subject:Putting value into perspective

John (Olson), I don't know why William Jaroske always seems to be on your
case, but I hope it's because you're making more money. :)

After reading a few comments on CCI, I decided to look more into it.  Like
everyone else, I was also taken aback with their claim to make $4,000 per
month on the front page and no products to speak of.

What also immediately caught my attention is their claim to be a
Non-Profit Humanitarian Aid CORPORATION.  I found their choice of word a
little funny.  What exactly does this mean?  Could they be misleading
people with a simple play on words?

If they are a registered non-profit organization they should be registered
somewhere.  Just to be on the safe side, you never know, I did a quick
search on it, and couldn't find anything that led to a government or even
another non-profit site.  All the results were other CCI sites and
websites promoting it.

Could it mean that they donate money to humanitarian aid?  I couldn't find
any such statement on their website (

Ahhhhh here's what they do.  Taken word for word directly from their
website - Note, Mr. Jaroske, that CCI was given proper credit for this -:

"How many times in your life have you had an opportunity to be part of
history?  Just think about this for a minute.we WILL have a positive
impact on the entire world! The Mission of CCI is to eradicate poverty
around the world.  We WILL uplift people from this terrible epidemic
called poverty.  We WILL be a "Beneficial Presence" in the world. And we
WILL do all this from people just sharing this opportunity with a few

ROFL  CCI, savoir of the world!  LOLOLOLOL  Where does the NON-PROFIT part
fit in? I wonder how many people who joined CCI have read that far??  Did
they applaud and cheer?  Did they understand it?  Or did they get caught
up in all the HYPE just like Mr. Jaroske?

Then I looked at the compensation plan, always a good place to start.
Also word for word from their website:

"You get the tools......... We teach you how to use them........ You then
can take these tools and utilize them to promote any business (family
friendly) you like, on and off the Internet."

Hummmm nothing about products here, only tools that can be used AFTER you
signed up.  Let's look further:

"Close your eyes and imagine how you'll feel when you start cashing that
$4,000 (USD)* check each month! There are CCI members right now who are
cashing those checks..... People just like you..."

Remember that Mr. Jaroske doesn't like hype, or MLM...


"1st Step

It's as easy as joining CCI for $9.99 and the CCI Upgrade for an
additional $9.99.... That's a total of $19.98.........

2nd Step

Invite 4 members into CCI just like you....... People who want to be
making $4,000 in six months...

3rd Step

Help your 4 new members do the same as you...... Which is find their 4
people who want to be making $4,000 in six months....

That's it.... It's that easy... You've now set something in motion.... "

First step, they want you to SPEND money.
Second step, they want you to RECRUIT.
Third step, they want you to help others RECRUIT.

Where are the products???  Oh I see, the product IS the opportunity!
Well, imagine that...  Mr. Jaroske who seems to be against all MLM and
hype is pushing a program that promotes the OPPORTUNITY because they have
NO products, a program that tells you that it's easy to make $4,000 a

So tell us Mr. Jaroske, are you making $4,000 per month yet?  CCI tells
you it's that easy, what's wrong with you?

And then, I was shocked to see that Mr. Jaroske is also promoting
Cognigen.  Maybe that's what he's promoting with CCI tools?  Everything
that Mr. Jaroske promotes has a downline attached to it, but remember, he
hates hype and MLM...

Time to play board games, Mr. Jaroske...

Mireille Carrier

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (8.1)=============
From:Morris Swinamer
Subject:Need help with advertising


OUCH!!! What a body slam!  Just kidding.  :)

When I posted to #380, I fully expected to get taken
to the mat (at least once) Thank you for taking me
down so swiftly, I don't like long drawn out Sock-Em-Bop-Em Battles.

Adrian, life is too precious and short, to waste it by
standing at the Complaint Counter, making enemies and
closing doors. Any day that you wake up and there is
not a white chalk outline around your body, it's
another day that you have been Blessed. Use your
Blessings and talents to help your fellow human beings.

It's easy to hide behind one's keyboard and hurl
insults and be critical of well-meaning individuals.
If one must criticize, at least make it a constructive
criticism. If we are not part of the SOLUTION, we are
part of the PROBLEM...Right?

Problems happen every day. Everyone has them. I
suggest we collectively look for SOLUTIONS. We don't
need to add more rubbish to the Problems / Complaints

Let's choose not to insult the intelligence of the
readership by using this platform as a boxing
ring...You've already taken me down once; I'm not
looking to go down again. At the same time, if I don't
respond to a sarcastic remark from someone, it doesn't
mean that I am running away with my tail between my
legs. It's just not my style to waste time trying to
out-keyboard an opponent. My posting was an effort to
help someone solve a problem, not to look for an argument. I would much
rather invest my time to help
someone to the best of my ability. No, I don't have
all the answers! I'll be the first to admit it, but I
do know what works and I do know the difference
between ethical and and self-serving.

For what it's worth, it's my belief that our biggest
challenge is Ourselves. Human nature dictates that we
must be full of fear, doubt, suspicion, skepticism and
a whole host of other frailties. It's an individual
choice as to whether or not we allow ourselves to be
controlled by those frailties. Let's just call it
LIFE. Let's face those challenges.Let's look for Real
Solutions to the daily problems of the readership.

Adrian, don't be afraid to try something, even if (at
first glance) it sounds crazy. Everyone thought
Colonel Saunders was crazy when he set out on the road
trying to sell his chicken recipe. Can you just
imagine the critical remarks that he must have gotten
when he set out at age 66! Put out of business by
highway construction...all he had was a social
security check and a chicken recipe. To make a long
story short, Colonel Saunders was taken to the mat
1,009 times before someone finally said "YES" to his
recipe. The old gentleman obviously had what it took
to build one of the biggest franchises in the world.
We could ALL take a lesson from Saunders life story.
Whatever you believe in, Never Give UP! I believe that
what I am doing is right and ethical.

Regarding Your Quote: "I suggest a reality check may
be in order."  Thanks for concern, but I already do
that each and every day anyway...Why would a person not do it? Adrian, I
will admit that you did inspire
me to update my Adland Community Page, so that I might
show people a little more about who I am and also to
let people know that I am not, as you put it, "in a
suicidal mood.". Just go to my Community Page and down
at the bottom, you'll find a link leading to what
you've inspired me to do. My deepest appreciation for
your inspiration. That's not Sarcastic Fluff...I
really mean it!

Come on Adrian, waddya say? Let's work together and
use this Great Platform to work together in finding
solutions. We can't solve ALL of the problems of the
world, but we can have a positive impact.

Best Regards,

Morris Swinamer

Please visit my Adland Community Web Page. I welcome
All Comments. If you haven't built yours yet, you're
missing out!


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (8.2)=============
From:Morris Swinamer
Subject:Need help with advertising

Hello Cheryl,

Thank you for reading my post (#380) and thanks for
having having a look at the info on my responder. I
welcome all suggestions, both good as well as not-so-good. It's the only
way that I can know for sure, if
my information is helpful to anyone. I am very open
minded and very much appreciate constructive criticism.

Cheryl, I fully agree (110%) with you on the value of
Free Ads. I especially agree with you on the use of
the Adland Digest for getting your message out to the
masses. The overwhelming response to my posting was
totally unexpected in requests to my responder
messages. As mentioned earlier, those tips are rough
around the edges...(It's a work in progress) I
sincerely hope that some of the information helps
someone over their own rough and bumpy ride to
whatever they are looking for on the Web.

Thanks again Cheryl...I look forward to seeing more of
your postings and wish you much success! :)


Morris Swinamer

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (8.3)=============
From:Morris Swinamer
Subject:Need help with advertising


Thanks for seeing my approach as a possibility.
I apologize for this lengthy response, but I can tell
by your response, that you've read beyond the point where Adrian Elman
stopped reading and you analysed
what I was trying to convey.

Please let me go a bit deeper into my method and see
if it still makes sense.

Firstly, I sincerely apologise to the entire
readership if I gave the impression that I am focusing
on building a list of Spammers. In hindsight, I can
see where my statement could have given that
impression. My Quote:
"PLEASE REMEMBER:The main purpose of marketing this
way is (Believe it or Not) to get spammed." End Quote

Now, if I might redeem myself and explain, that the
whole crux of my posting hinged on one paragraph that
My Quote: "Having said that,not all, but MANY of these
spammers will send their junk to you via useless,
(fake addresses, autoresponders, etc.)...but you will
receive some addresses that are able to receive your
counter offer and it is THOSE precious addresses that
will become your prospect list. Don't expect to sell
your Biz without exerting ALOT more effort...starting
right at that point." End Quote

To further elaborate, I use that method, fully knowing
that I am most certainly going to get spammed.

Do I want my list polluted with spammers?  No Way! As
Adrian so aptly put it, "...unless you are in a
suicidal mood."

Do I want Auto Responders on my list? No Way! I want
real people who want to communicate, one-on-one.

Do I want email addresses that Bounce? No Way! Again,
I want someone who actually reads their email;
someone I can share (two-way communication) ideas and
knowledge with.

Now this is where the rubber meets the road (so-to-speak)   A very
important point that I totally forgot
to mention in my # 380 posting and I hope I didn't
cause anyone any hardships by missing this Very
Critical and Key Point...Always use disposable email
addresses when using the "Back Door Approach." Eg.
hotmail, yahoo, etc. For obvious reasons, you don't
want spammers to have access to your MAIN email

#1/ I respond to each and every email that comes to my
inbox at least once ( if it warrants a reply.) The
majority will have spam written all over them,
however, I still will give ( most of ) them the
benefit of doubt ( at least once ) They might just be
some poor individual who bought a names-list from an
email harvester and they are simply trying to market
their wares...To which I will send them my response
and ask for their "Honest Answer, Please" "Are you
making a worthwhile income from your venture....."Nothing more than a
reply at this point
and depending on the situation, I might not even
include my Sig File...That can happen later.

Here's what I might experience as a result of my reply
to these people. Incidentally, any people at this
point are still Only Prospects. This is where the (Not
for Everyone) Real Work begins. I call this
work, "Planting the Seed."

a/--My reply (Many Times) might be directed to an auto
responder>>>>If I get an auto response to my query, I
immediately hit the DELETE button. I can't talk to an
Auto Responder.

b/--My reply might Bounce>>>>I immediately hit the
DELETE button. For whatever reason, In Box is full,
Mail Filters, Blockers, etc. These addresses are of no
use to anyone building a prospect list.

c/--I might receive a reply like this, "Yes, I am in
fact, making an excellent income....">>>>I will reply
to these individuals and send them warm
congratulations for doing so well and I welcome them
to email me at any time. In other words, I keep the
door open. You just don't know what will happen down
the road...Maybe their business might turn sour and
they might send you a request for info on your
venture. OR Heaven forbid, your venture might turn
sour, in which case, you yourself might be once
again, "In the Looking Zone." If they are still making
a good income, they would be more than pleased to tell
you more about their business at that point....and
wouldn't you rather talk to someone who already has
the fruits on the tree?

d/--I do, more times than one would expect, receive
actual Honest Replies that look something like this.
"No, I am not really making any money, or I just
got started", or something of that nature. From here,
we can get to know each other. I don't jump all over
anyone with my business venture. I initially offer my
help to them. They might have made a substantial
investment in their venture and simply can't relate to
their Up Line.
Folks, the Internet is big enough for all of us.
Hence, (to the best of my ability) I offer whatever
help they need. It doesn't cost me anything to be a
good Net Citizen and I truly believe that our Good
Deeds will be rewarded down the road.

I've done a lot of trial and error with regards to
this method and there is more to it than what I have
explained here. I didn't say it was Easy, but it does
work for me and I will also promise that any prospects
contacted in this fashion, will become long-term
friends / associates. (providing that you are sincere
in your offer to help them)  I caution anyone who
reads this or any other information that I share...I
only bring these things to the platform
as "Suggestions" for you to try. My Suggestions have
all been tried by me and work for me. Hopefully, if
you do try anything that I suggest, it will Solve a
Problem for you as well. Don't make the mistake of
Only using one method to promote your Venture.

My "Back-Door-Method" is but just one of many ways to
work the Net. PLEASE...Don't try anything that Anyone
suggests, before doing a bit of research on your own.
Lastly, if you have a good working relationship with
an Upline person, DO whatever they tell you (providing
it is ethical and they can show you that it has worked
for others) Good Communication between individuals is
a good starting point. GREAT Communication is where
it's Really at!

Thank you John for being open minded when you read my
post. Once again, my most sincere apologies to
everyone, if I have mislead you in any way.

I wish you all mega success! ...and to this end, with
regards to my posting in issue #380, I throw myself at
the mercy of the Forum.

Kind Regards,

Morris Swinamer

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==============N e w P o s t i n g  (1)=============
From:Bob Culbertson
Subject:Have you learned anything today?

It amazes me how we can go through life without listening, or learning. A
few weeks ago, I decided to go for it; get my own website, my own domain,, the works, and build an Internet business
of my own.

I knew nothing about HTML Code, how to read it, much less write it, so it
could read in a browser. Then, I  met this wonderful person. One of my
mentors, he's taught me more, than I ever thought I could learn, about
building a website.

After my domain was all set to go, I went to Joe and asked what the next
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Joe had the answers I needed.

I have been advertising with different safe lists, traffic generators,
etc. but had no way of tracking my ads, until now. Now I know about
setting up redirect codes with in my links,
to zero in on the effectiveness of my campaigns. This saves me time and

If you would like this code send an email to me at with Redirect Code in the
Subject line.

I will email you the code with instructions on how to use it for your
website so that you can track your ads too.

Please include your valid email address and URL, so that I can setup a
code for your site.

It  really is amazing, just how much there is to learn if you listen.
Start networking with other people, and you'll probably learn a thing or
two yourself. You'd be surprised.

Thank you,
Bob Culbertson



==============N e w P o s t i n g  (2)=============
From:Ed Pena
Subject:Cash Culture Question

I had a bad experience with Cash Culture and just wondered if anyone else
has had the same experience.

I joined as a free member.  I started getting emails that stated that
people had joined my downline and then that people were upgrading.  I was
urged to upgrade so I could take advantage of all this.

Well, I upgraded and guess what?  The emails stopped and I had no

I asked for a refund and was refused.

Any comments?

Ed Pena


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==============N e w P o s t i n g  (4)=============
From:Michael A
Subject:New to Online Marketting

I am new to online marketing. I have been somewhat successful in gaining
sales leads in my classified ads, BUT I seem to be losing them at the
point of sale.
They are responding to my ads with an interest in purchasing my products,
when I send them a paypal order now link, Nothing.
I am interested in finding out what CLOSES on the net?





==============N e w P o s t i n g  (5)=============
From:Marcus Brown

Hello, Everyone with Adlandpro.  My interest is in the health/wellness
industry because it benefits are to help people live a healthier life.  I
recently came across Melaleuca as one of the most beneficial companies
because it promotes products that are truly natural without dangerous
chemicals we all have been reading about.  My question is what do you
think about their company compared to say Neways, For-mor, etc. besides
compensation.  I am looking for part-time income potentially full-time.
Let's face it folks without a product you can really trust what good is
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independent reps. and how you are promoting to get real consumers instead
of just hoping to earn on just recruits.  In all contracts, it fully
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hyped up pitch just for recruitment.

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