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                                         Vol. 1 issue #414 Sept 10, 2004
 


 

Topics in this issue:
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Continuing Discussions (6)
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1. Re: Juice Boosted
Gary Mutton, Mike Sullivan, Howard Dabrawsky II
 
2. Re: Response to Kevin Bowman's question
Stephanie Chase, Russ Wilson

3. Re: Storesonline are a scam
Kim Snyder


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Top Web Site Blunders by Coaches, Consultants and Experts, by Marcia Yudkin

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I have been a member of AdlandPro for years - at the beginning as a free user of their free
classifieds service, later as a paid member, taking advantage of more of the tools it offers.
I'll openly admit that Adland is not my main opportunity, since I do own and operate
businesses of my own; however, I always had a soft spot in my heart for AdlandPro, the
Community and the Digest even before Bogdan asked me to moderate it.

I'm writing this preamble because I'm really pleased with the progress AdlandPro has made
with the Community and I'm very happy that it falls upon me to announce the latest
addition:
Discussion Boards have been added to the AdlandPro Community, finally giving all of us
the opportunity to truly network and get to know each other!
Check them out here: http://www.adlandpro.com/directad/forumCategories.aspx
Anyone can create new discussion boards from inside of their account.
Discussion boards can be later included through special codes on the owner site, thus
increasing traffic when people come to check out the boards. Let's not forget an additional
benefit to your own websites: New content is good for search engine placement and through
these boards new content will be added every time there is a new post.

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.1)=============

Re: Get Juice Boosted Article 3rd September is Inaccurate
From: Gary Mutton

Hi.
I have just read the article "Get Juice Boosted" by William Jaroske 3rd September 2004.
He seems to doubt the claims made by Juice and thinks that 5 time's faster than dial up is
out dated technology.

If William had taken the time to read the claims made by juice he would have known that
they claim it is a new compression technology and that it is 40 times faster than dial up not
5 as  William said in his Article.

They also say it is 4 time's faster than Broadband/DSL, this would be true if it were only a
500kbps Broadband connection that you have and not a 1.5mbps connection such as I have,
making the claim to be actually only 25% faster, but even so, if it is free I will use it if, or at
least give it a try.

Gary Mutton.

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Re: FREE-Juice Boosted Response
From: Mike Sullivan

Greetings,

No doubt about it, this Free-Juice deal has attracted attention from millions in the first
month alone since released.  I researched it and came up with some questionable claims
which if true could revolutionize the internet.

Free-Juice is a very appealing claim, as there is no risk to pre-register as a customer or
affiliate.  In fact, they claim that those who do register and choose to use software will not
be charged for access to their high speed internet software.  That in itself is why some doubt
that the claims are true.

Why, because it is non conventional marketing, that's why.  After all, most DSL and
Broadband services we use cost from $30.00 to $60.00 per month, and worse, are not even
available in most places in the world.
Free-Juice would allow people to connect through standard dial up worldwide, and this is a
scary thought for current providers, hence, the negative campaign has already begun to stop
Free-Juice from market.

Is it a scam?  This no one knows and with five weeks of claims that it is, I have still seen no
proof or any regulatory agency respond. What would the scam entail given no money was
requested to pre-register or become an affiliate?  This does not fit the standard scam MO,
now does it?  Usually a scam will hit you up fast and be gone before you know it.  So the
intrigue grows and grows on Free-Juice.

I have done as much research as possible, and one thing is certain, if true, this will kill the
current DSL and Broadband industry as we know it today.  Could this be possible?  Could
Free-Juice have the next breakthrough in data compression language?  So called industry
experts say NO, but no one really knows as it is still a secret until October 2004 release.

What I can say is this.  Having a technical background, when it comes to electronic
technologies, never say never.  When it comes to data transmission, I can remember 300
baud was the norm for banks and huge mega companies who were first to use data
transmission over phone lines.  As we all know now, 56K is the standard, so is it totally
impossible to see the claims Free-Juice is making come true sometime in the future? 
Maybe not this October, but I do believe this will be available in less than a couple years, so
does Free-Juice really have answer NOW?

No doubt about it, this has created a huge amount of talk on the internet, and I am sure
millions are waiting with baited breath wondering if these claims are true.  As mentioned
above, if it is it will kill the current DSL and Broadband industry.  Can you imagine what
this would do to the industry?  I have, and it will meet the usual resistance all upstart
companies get when they rock the boat.  After all, the thought of FREE-DSL-
BROADBAND is HUGE.

As an entrepreneur, I look and research everything when it comes to the internet.  I know of
research in data compression, as well as different data language research.  After all, 0's and
1's have been the standard language since the first computer, so is it really impossible to
envision a new language may come along after many decades of 0's and 1's?  I think so, but
I won't go so far as to say Free-Juice has it.

I guess we will all have to wait and see, and if this release and claims has caused this much
pro and con interest, imagine if it is true?  For those who are still sitting on the fence, pre-
register, but do not enter anything other than a throw away email address for now to be
safe.  After all, some of the pro-scam groups have eluded that this is a terrorist Trojan
attack of some kind as no one gives something this valuable for free.  Or do they?

NetZero did, and they now charge for internet access, so is it a good way to launch a new
service?  NetZero has millions of paying subscribers, so it worked for them.  Are there
hidden revenue streams that Free-Juice could use to be compensated for giving away this
new high speed internet access for free to those who register now?  I would think there is,
just as NetZero generated revenues from advertising. With 100's of millions who use the
internet worldwide, how many would switch to Free-Juice over competition?  Interesting
question, and as one who sells DSL and Broadband services, I have a vested interest in
current industry, but deep inside, I would be the first to welcome Free-Juice as an
alternative.

Why, because I know all the problems people have with current dinosaur technologies, and
I know it is a rip off at up to $60.00 per month in some regions. Current services are
restricted and not available to most of the world, so Free-Juice would level the playing field
and save consumers millions of dollars. If Free-Juice does offer this FREE-DSL-
BROADBAND offer, I would welcome it, and simply have to switch marketing so as not to
lose all my current clients to Free-Juice.

I don't know about others, but I am open to new technologies which will improve our
internet experience, but I still would remain cautious and not download software until
company fully releases all facts and details about technology with full technical data release
so all the sceptics can be assured this is not a scam which the competition will want us to all
believe at this point.  Time will tell, but never say never is a lesson we have all learned over
our lives.

Good luck, Mike

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Re: About Dial Up...
From: Howard Dabrawsky II

Unfortunately, Dial Up will be here for a long time. There are still parts of the
country/world where cable and wi - fi will be non - existent for awhile, such as mine.
A major cable provider in this area has a line that stops 1/4 mile from my house. A Ma&Pa
Cable Co. line starts 1/4 mile down the road where the other stops, but they do not offer
cable internet let alone digital cable.
It has been 3 years now I have been submitting to waiting lists etc., and still no High Speed
internet service. (DSL, Cable, Etc.) I could get it through my Dish provider, but the cost is
astronomical to setup and not worth it when I know what other options are out there.
I'm not sure about the claims of the juiceboosted either, but I'll be watching as well...

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Re: Response to Kevin Bowman's question
From: Stephanie Chase

I currently work w/ a company called Melaleuca. I am part of the staying home & loving it
team.  I think it's a great investment of time. I can honestly say I love my job as a marketing
executive.  I'm also a customer for this company too.  I've tried/looked into a lot of
companies for SAH businesses most are too large of an investment or a huge waste of my
time.

I will tell you much more, but first, I'll give you my website to check out and PLEASE
contact me for more info. I will be happy to answer any and every question you have.
http://www.stayinhomeandlovinit.com/cgi-bin/team.cgi?id=st94628&action=show

PLEASE take a look at this info, and I'm not just saying this for my purposes. I'm in this
business because I feel I can truly improve the lives of others through my work.

If you'd prefer, email me w/ your phone # and I can give you a call. I promise I would do
my best to keep you from being confused. Plus, if you joined I have tons of resources saved
on my computer that would help you promote & understand this business.

I can't begin to tell you enough about this job in this huge amount of space I'm given.  I
learn so much about life everyday through this company. The more I learn, the more I am
completely shocked how big manufacturers of household products have pulled the wool
over our eyes for years.  Most of your household products, not just the cleaners, are
dangerous for you whether the danger is long term or short term. This company sells
environmentally safe products that are also safe for your family and pets. Some products
can even be used to take care of farm animals.

One way that I know this is the job for me is the fact that I feel excited every time I think
about "going to work"...which consists of going to my computer or reading some materials.
Plus, these are products that have a large marketing possibility because so many people can
use them. There's a great compensation plan, a WONDERFUL support team who's Always
there for you (including me), and the products are amazing.

Here is one more website I'd like you to go to. They don't endorse any particular company;
just inform you of the dangers in your house.
http://danpatch.ecn.purdue.edu/~epados/waste/house/house.htm    

Thanks and I hope this helps a little.

By the way, what is the business you just signed up for? I'm just curious.

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Re: respond to Kevin Bowman
From: Russ Wilson

Kevin:

I can't think of a better way to get flooded with business opportunities than your post. 
You're going to be spending the next several months just looking at all the different
opportunities that you'll hear about because of your post.

Good luck in your search.

I would suggest that before you start looking at the various offers you will receive, that you
make an outline of just what it is you are looking for in a business.  That way you'll be able
to narrow down the offers to a manageable level before spending so much time researching
each one you receive.

Every business owner online will have an opportunity for you to look at, and you need to
evaluate each opportunity that meets your criteria with care.  Remember that while it costs
little to buy into many of the opportunities available in the terms of up front out of pocket
cash; the real costs are going to come later.

* Time: your largest outlay will be immense if you really want to be a success.

* Advertising costs.

* New software for business?

* Hidden costs in the program.

You need to evaluate each business as if it were costing you what a brick and mortar
franchise would cost to purchase, because if you're to be a success, you'll spend ever bit as
much time and money as a Mcdonalds franchise owner does to make his business a success.

** Support:  does the business have real support?  Do they help you get noticed?  Do they
send business your way?  Do they give you the tools you'll need to be a success?

I can tell you that building a business online is not cheap, and can bankrupt you if you're
not careful.  Not everyone succeeds, but thousands try.

Look carefully before you leap.

I wish you every success.

Russ Wilson/Webintel

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Re: Storesonline are a scam
From: Kim Snyder

First thing I will say is I was one of those to bought into most of what SOL had to say. I
thought having everything in one place would be great. I know about making web sites and
I know it takes work so I didn't believe that part of SOL line of crap. Anyone I bought my
stores and no not one of them is up yet. When they say you can use Paypal was one of the
reasons I thought it would be ok. I was going to use some of their stuff but only some. I
download tons of stuff off their web site to get things going.
Well I still have all the papers of information but that's it.
  I did have a major disagreement about the right to use my own web host and paypal.
Looks like someone got on them about their scamming and things are looking to get
better. At least that's what I been told. I am a VERY disappointed member of SOL and
this is the FIRST of anything I have read that is negative about SOL and I would like to
thank you for getting the word out about it. As a member that do have a ton of stuff that you
can take off their site but to be honest you have to find ways around it to do it also, as in
there are things they don't want you do take off their site.
  I am still going to use what SOL gave me for sites cause I was dumb enough to pay for it
but never again. Always look between the lines of things that look too good to be true. I
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MovieClubPlus
From: Donald Smith

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How to promote premium rate phone service
From: Stuart Croll

Hi all,
       I am wondering whether anyone could give me ideas as to how i could advertise my
premium rate jokeline service successfully via leaflets and flyers. I have tried newspaper
inserts, car windscreens, shop windows but have had no success.
If anyone has any good ideas I would be grateful to hear them.
Thanks  Stuart

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Pay Per Click
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Top Web Site Blunders by Coaches, Consultants and Experts, by Marcia Yudkin
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Of all the web sites belonging to coaches, consultants and experts that I have reviewed,
more than three-quarters shared a very serious marketing blunder:  Their potential clients
wouldn't understand from their home page precisely what they do.  Jargon gets in the way. 

Many specialists believe that they need jargon to communicate their expertise.  Without it,
they'd sound incompetent, they think, and those in their target market who are as
specialized as they are wouldn't respect them. 
My recommendation is not to eliminate jargon, but to include it in the site, with your main
emphasis on the business benefits your company provides or the problems your company
solves.

For instance, I've done an informal survey to see if business owners understand the
jargonistic tag line, "CRM software for small business."  Nope!  Most aren't even sure
what "customer relationship management" really means.  But if you write, "Close sales
faster and improve customer loyalty through customer relationship management (CRM)
software for small business," you'll earn greater comprehension, without alienating those
who already know the shorthand.

Don't think this applies to you?  Sorry, it does.  Nearly everyone in business overestimates -
usually greatly overestimates - the extent to which customers understand their jargon.

The other nearly epidemic blunder at sites belonging to coaches, consultants and experts is
not explaining clearly and persuasively why someone should use you rather than the
competition.  What's unique about you?  How do you differ from your colleagues?  If
everyone is qualified and experienced, why should I choose you?  With sufficient thought
and care, you can add text to your web site that gets potential clients thinking, "This is
exactly the person who can help!"

Related to this is the absence at many sites of two powerful tools for credibly distinguishing
yourself from the competition:  testimonials and expert articles. 
Testimonials are quotes from clients you've helped, and they should refer to results
achieved with your help - not just you being a competent, nice service provider - and be
signed with a complete name and business identifier or geographical location.  Expert
articles engage visitors to your site and show that you know your stuff.

Finally, all coaches, consultants and experts need to have a newsletter to capitalize properly
on visits to their web site.  This is because people shopping for professional services
sometimes decide to buy that very day.  More often, they come to your site looking for
information rather than to hire someone.  If they read a couple of your articles, like them
and sign up for your newsletter, you'll have the chance to impress these potential clients
repeatedly.  Down the line, they're likely to hire you, sometimes without ever returning to
your site.  But your site set that process in motion.

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Marcia Yudkin marcia@yudkin.com  is the author of Web Site Marketing Makeover and 10
other books.  A four-time Webby Awards judge and internationally famous marketing
consultant, she critiques web sites and performs web site makeovers for clients.  Learn
more about her detailed critique sessions on five different kinds of web sites (including sites
for consultants and other professionals) at www.yudkin.com/websitequiz.htm .

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-----------------JOKE OF THE DAY-------------------

Harold, the computer guy.
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I was having trouble with my computer. So I called Harold the computer guy, to come over
and helped me. Harold clicked a couple of buttons and solved the problem. He gave me a
bill for a minimum service call.
As he was walking away, I called after him, "So, what was wrong?" He replied, "It was an
ID ten T error." I hated to appear stupid, but I needed to know what was going on with the
computer, so I inquired, "An, ummm- ID ten T error? What is that?... in case I need to fix it
again?" The computer guy grinned.... "Haven't you ever heard of an ID ten T error before?"

"No," I replied.

"Write it down," he said, "you might be able to figure it out."

So I wrote out ...... I D 1 0 T error

I used to like Harold...
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