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Word from the Moderator

Continuing Discussions (2)
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1. Re: Thanks
Eva Marie Farrell

2. Re: Banks ARE RIPPING US OFF
Mike Sullivan

>From the Forum (13)
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Topic 1: What is the purpose of a forum?
Trina L.C. Schiller, Mark Wade, Bogdan Fiedur

Topic 2. Known highjackers of affiliate programs?
Rich Bertolina

Topic 3. What are the best sites to truly and objectively rate affiliate programs?
Rich Bertolina

Topic 4. Bogdan, I have a question about the forums...
Mark Wade

Topic 5. Be On Guard...
Mark Wade

Topic 6. How long....
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It’s time for another Digest (my, how time flies!) but frankly, I’m in no mood for
business! LOL I guess even I am susceptible to the consumerism of the holiday
season – those sparkling lights everywhere make you a bit lightheaded – and I’ve
been spending more time shopping around for gifts than actually “working”.
Thank goodness I don’t have a boss looking over my head!! It’s one of the benefits
of working from home and running your own business – you can’t get fired for
goofing off! On the other hand, online business is a 24/7 business and knows no
holidays. For my part, I have tried to automate most of my day-to-day tasks,
including most of my promotion, so if I need to I CAN take some time off and not
suffer too badly. Now if I could just automate the Digest….. !

REMEMBER:
Posting in the AdlandPro Digest Forum is ONE way of beating spam!
The AdlandPro Digest Forum can be found here:
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Re: Thanks
From: Eva Marie Farrell

Hi Geoff,

Hello! Thanks for the valuable information as well as the free download of your
software protecting affiliate commission. I will definitely visit your site and Please
participate with us in the forum share your thoughts or ideas that will be beneficial
for the entire AdlandPro Community. See you there


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Re: Banks ARE RIPPING US OFF
From: Mike Sullivan

Greetings,

In follow-up to Rudolph Burgzorg's post, I respond.

Sadly, most people will never know just how many ways traditional banks are
ripping us off, but your overview defines just one of many ways.

Over the years we can identify several methods banks have been ripping us off. The
one that sticks out the most is the obvious, and that is the poultry 1.5% to 2% banks
pay on our DOD savings accounts. Of course, many will add fees on top of this if
you do not maintain a reasonable balance, so here we see how bank fees are where
banks really rip us off on.

If you were to follow banks profits, they will always follow the trend of ever
increasing fees. Sadly, the majority of profits banks earn are based solely on fees.
Never in history have the consumer been ripped off more than with fees.

All one has to do is overdraw there checking account to learn why fees are where
most banks thrive. At up to $39.00 per check, in addition to fees simply to have a
checking account, this is the biggest rip off of all. Are banks losing money these
days? NO, they have never been more profitable, so think about it next time you
consider a checking account.

The next trap that banks have set up is the credit card scam. We have been pumped
up with one credit card offer after another, and when you learn how much is ripped
off from users in interest, never mind late fees and over limit charges, you will soon
learn that banks make the majority of their insane profits from credit cards.

If you follow the industry, you will soon learn why banks solicit students at every
college with credit cards and lines of credit similar to the way a drug pusher would
sell drugs. One you are hooked, they hope to have a lifelong credit addict. How
insane is this that our colleges and government regulators have allowed this to
happen for years. Only recently have some states started to rack down on this
practice.

Yes, banks have been ripping us off since the beginning of time, but what options
have we had over the years? You have Visa and MasterCard controlling the credit
card industry under the guise as non-profit entities, yet they are making billions off
of credit card industry, so don't be fooled.

Banks and Visa and MasterCard are ripping us all off for billions every year, so
before you accept that next credit card offer, think of this.
Read the fine print conveniently offered as a little insert in direct mail offering. If
people would read this you would never accept any credit cards from a bank, but
sadly, most never read anything, they just apply blindly.

Given the fact that most credit cards use deception to attract new customers, the
infamous 0% offers, or low introductory offers, they all end up ripping us off in the
long run, and this is what happens. Once the introductory offer expires, usually in 6
months, their rate could be as high as 29.9%, and in some states, even higher. If you
have one late payment, for any reason, even a day late, your introductory rate is gone
in a heartbeat. Again, read the fine print. With late fees and over limit fees of up to
$39.00 or more, it doesn't take a genius to see that banks are making billions on
credit card fees and interest rates.

Now let’s look at another sad fact which most are not aware of. The average person
has several credit cards, and worse yet, they carry thousands in monthly balances.
Not just a few thousand, but usually over $10,000.00 in monthly credit balances. Is
this insane or what? Now you know why they push their services to college kids all
over the country.

Here is the final shock for many. If you were induced to pay the minimum payment
every month on your balance, this is conveniently calculated to rip you off for up to
27 years. Yes, 27 years. I bet you most never realized that by paying the minimum
payment on your average credit card balance at average rates, it will take you 27
years to pay off your balance, and that is only if you make no further purchases. And
how many fall into this category? ZERO, that's how many will not continue to
charge, so in effect, you will never escape credit card interest in your lifetimes.

As you can see, banks have been ripping us off forever, yet most don't have a clue.
Given the fact that banks pay so little on our savings accounts, IRA's and CD's, why
bother with a traditional bank? Sure, we have been led to believe our money is safe,
after all, in the US, it is insured by the FDIC for up to $100,000.00. The only
problem is, the US can not even cover 1% of deposits, so in an economic collapse,
our money is not as safe as we thought. Remember the Savings & Loan collapse a
couple decades ago?
Who lost out, the consumer and business owners, not the bank presidents, that is for
sure.

Looking at the weaker and weaker dollar, and the fact the deficit is growing to new
records, are banks really a safe place to put our money?
NO, in my opinion, it isn't. I have been earning ten times what banks are paying in
interest with selective searching in other countries, so broaden your horizons and put
your money to work for you compounding daily and watch your money grow like
never before.

With very little more risk than in traditional banks, you could be earning a fortune
with 10% per month plus very easy to find if you know where to look. Don't think
your local banker will tell you where they are investing your savings accounts, they
won't, but I can assure you, it is also international investments which are performing
in the double digit range, so don't fall for the banks rip off any longer, you can do
much better and with the internet, it is easier than ever to do your research.

Regards, Mike Sullivan

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>From Moderator: While I was “goofing off” the Digest Forum FILLED with your
posts, messages and comments! First, I want to apologize if I have not been “on top”
of things in the past week or so. Second, I think that we should have a permanent
special section in the Digest to follow Forum discussions. Here we go then.

================ Forum Discussion (1.1) ===================

Re: What is the purpose of a forum?
Posted: 11-25-2004 09:30 PM
From: Trina L.C. Schiller

Greetings to all!

I have been a member of Adland Pro for a very long time. However, I have not been
a driving force behind any of the forums here.

The main reason that I do not do much posting, although I have been invited to many
forums here, is because of the loss of focus that has seemed to have taken place.

It has always been my understanding that a forum is a place to participate in
discussions with other like-minded people. What I have noticed recently, is that
members are creating forums as advertisements. The forum topics resemble one-
liners, rather than an actual topic. How do you participate in a forum discussion that
is nothing more than the owner trying to get you to join his/her program?

In most of the forum settings that I do regularly participate in, blatant advertising is
against the rules.

Another thing that I have noticed, that goes hand-in-hand with this advertising thing,
is that several members here, own/moderate handfuls of forums. I wonder how any
one person can moderate so many serious discussion forums, effectively?

I have a great deal of respect for Bogdan and Adland Pro. It is a shame that many of
the forums here have taken on the appearance of amateur hour.

Trina L.C. Schiller
Publisher - The Trii-Zine Ezine http://www.ezines1.com
President - Ads-On-Q http://www.ads-on-q.com/intro

================ Forum Discussion (1.2) ===================
Re: What is the purpose of a forum?
Posted: 12-01-2004 07:05 PM
From: Mark Wade

Hi Trina,

This is just a thought - because I feel the same way you do. I've been doing some
"lurking" as we used to call it in newsgroups way back when..... and I wonder if
you've noticed what I think I've noticed.....

Hasn't the natural progression of reality begun to come to pass? Aren't the numerous
posts and forums you refer to diminished quite a bit? (With tongue-in-cheek) I
wonder why this has happened?

What do you see?

Have a great day!

Mark

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Re: What is the purpose of a forum?
Posted: 12-02-2004 09:28 PM
From: Trina L.C. Schiller

Hi Mark!

I don't know what to think, except that newbies need direction. There is a certain
person among the ALP membership that was inviting me to a new forum, almost
daily. Each forum invitation carried the topic of a one line ad. It almost felt like I was
getting spammed.

Since my first post on this thread, the invitations have slowed dramatically.

I do a great deal of «lurking" myself. LOL That is, until I find something interesting
to join in on.

Have an awesome day!
Trina

================ Forum Discussion (1.4) ===================

Re: What is the purpose of a forum?
Posted: 12-02-2004 11:01 PM
From: Mark Wade

Hi Trina,

Hmmmm... I think I can relate...

How about receiving personal messages containing those same one line ads and then
when you try to reply you're blocked?

Oh well. On another note, since you mentioned that newbies need direction - there is
something that I see that would be so easy to correct. It is rampant throughout these
forums. It increases the length of some posts enormously plus makes it an extra
effort to visit another site. I wonder if Amalia will see this... maybe we could provide
a little help.

This is it - hopefully. If you add < before the first "A" and > after the last "A" and
make your links clickable it would be a BIG help!

A href=" http://www.rwebsdesigns.com/">Get BILLIONS of FREE ADS!</A
would look like this -

Get BILLIONS of FREE ADS!

I am

Havin' an awesome day! You have one too!

Mark

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================ Forum Discussion (1.5) ===================
Re: What is the purpose of a forum?
Posted: 12-03-2004 04:00 AM
From: Trina L.C. Schiller

Hello again...

I can't say I've ever experienced the personal message thing. Thankfully.

And I hear what you're sayin' about clickable links. I am also guilty of not always
making my URL operative, but at least I know what the tags are supposed to be.
LOL

I am having an awesome day; thank you. I've gotten some great feedback from my
partners, on a book I am writing. I'm really jazzed about it.

Take it easy,
Trina
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================ Forum Discussion (1.6) ===================
Re: What is the purpose of a forum?
Posted: 12-04-2004 04:45 AM
From: Bogdan Fiedur

Hi Trina and Mark,

Although a bit late with my response I hope it will be as valuable as it would be
when this discussion has started.

Regarding links. Next week all links in the forum will be automatically converted to
clickable links. We are addressing this issue as of now.

Regarding creating of forums for the sake of advertising.

This is true that this happens. Based on yours and others feedback we have limited
number of forums one can create to max 10.

We have also added option for owners of the forum to delete unwanted posts. The
other thing we did we added option to friend section to be removed as somebody
friend if the friend is annoying you with creation of forums for sake of advertising
only. We are also removing forums without posts or no activity.

We will also develop rating system which will then allow members to express their
opinion about other members and give them option to rate others. We will also
consider such criteria for person's rating like being removed as a friend, blocked by
other users, number of posts in the forums, number of logins into the site and so on.
This should offer self regulating mechanism for the community as a whole. Thank
you for the feedback and participation.


Bogdan Fiedur

================ Forum Discussion (1.7) ===================
Re: What is the purpose of a forum?
Posted: 12-04-2004 04:23 PM
Hey Bogdan!

You are just way too cool... This response is incredibly valuable! We all owe you a
gigantic THANK YOU!

(Now... if I can just put that one more in my other leg - we'll be off and running.)

Trina - congrats on writing a Book! That's out of sight!

Have a great day...

Mark

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Re: What is the purpose of a forum?
Posted: 12-04-2004 07:55 PM
From: Trina L.C. Schiller

Good Morning Bogdan!

Wow! Thank you for listening, and responding.

Forums are an awesome place to learn and communicate ideas with others. I enjoy
them immensely. I admit though... I am one who reads them more than writes in
them, except for one.

Here's a blatant plug:
I own a forum on the Ryze Network; the topic being RSS. If anyone would like to
participate, you can find us here:
Recovering Email Publishers Chat On Q http://chatonq-network.ryze.com/

Thank you for providing such an awesome service Bogdan! You have some really
great members here.

Take it easy,
Trina

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FROM MODERATOR: I included the above thread in its entirety because it is a
great example of how a Forum SHOULD work. Although this was mainly a dialogue
and would have been MUCH more interesting with more people contributing, it had
all the basics of what a forum should be about: questions, discussion, opinions, and
finally, thanks to Bogdan, a resolution!
It would be self-defeating to reproduce ALL the Forum discussions in this
publication. I hope you will allow me to simply point out some interesting
discussions (in my opinion) and you can all go to the Digest Forum and make your
mark in the world :)

Amalia

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Known highjackers of affiliate programs?
Posted: 05 Dec 2004 06:41 PM
From: Rich Bertolina

Is there a list of known highjackers of affiliate websites? I suspect a few companies
after my traffic suddenly stopped after using their services.

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What are the best sites to truly and objectively rate affiliate programs?
Posted: 05 Dec 2004 06:50 PM
From: Rich Bertolina

How do we get through all the hype of paid advertisements and get to the truly best
programs? How do we really find out what other affiliates are earning?

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Bogdan, I have a question about the forums...
Posted: 06 Dec 2004 12:07 PM
From: Mark Wade

Hi Bogdan,

I don't recall seeing anything about this.

If one is invited to a forum it seems that one is automatically a member of that
forum. Is this true?

Or, if you have posted to a thread does that make you a member of that forum?

I ask because, in any case, it appears that if somehow you are either a member of a
forum or a thread, and someone posts to that forum or thread, there is an option to
notify all members of that forum or thread by email.

It is not something I recall asking for as a benefit of a forum, it feels more like
another way of - OMG - spamming?

Thoughts anyone?

Have a great day!

I'm

Lovin' Life!

Mark

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Be On Guard...
Posted: 09 Dec 2004 10:16 AM
From: Mark Wade

Hi Amalia, Bogdan and All,

It's a beautiful day! The holidays are approaching and I'd like to wish everyone a
Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah...

Now - I think this would make for an interesting discussion...

Be On Guard!

At this time of the year there are those who are more than willing to mislead YOU
into reading their self-centered and personally gratifying posts by offering you a
subject for their post that says "Merry Christmas." Unless they have edited this to
show they are more than that this Title will lead you to an elongated advertisement
for one of their opportunities.

I would love to post this in that particular forum but I have noticed that any negative,
free-speech postings will be deleted there. So - here it is. You know who you are!

And it is just my personal opinion, as humble as it may be <grin> that to misuse the
spirit of the Holidays to pursue your own personal gain at the expense of others' time
and effort is PATHETIC!

Have a great day!

I am

Lovin' Life!

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How long....
Posted: 05 Dec 2004 08:23 AM
From: Cynthia Phillips

…does it take to get comments posted on the Digest?

I made some replies I guess a month ago to some posts and they've never showed up
on the digest.

Just wondering

Cynthia Phillips

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Who are you, really? And why should I trust you? Without face-to-face contact or a
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3. Testimonials. Pithy quotes from named individuals posted at your site attest to
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Provide substantive articles or white papers that people can freely read at your site or
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================JOKE OF THE DAY==================

The FLAMERS BIBLE
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Origin: Unknown (actually, I wrote the first one a few months ago, but I thought
"origin: unknown" looks cool)

Revision 1: Dec. 2, 1987 by Joe Talmadge

In the time I have been posting to net, I have encountered flame wars of epic
proportions (Brahms Gang vs. Tim Maroney), and flame wars of a more modest
nature (MIT vs. CIT). Flaming has evolved into a highly-stylized art form, complete
with unwritten rules and guidelines.

Here, I have attempted to document the Art of Flaming, in such a way as it will be
interesting to old hands (flame masters) and novices (virgins) alike. Without a further
ado, then, I present:


The twelve commandments of flaming

1. Make things up about your opponent: It's important to make your lies sound
true. Preface your argument with the word "clearly." "Clearly, Fred Flooney is a
liar, and a dirtball to boot."
2. Be an armchair psychologist: You're a smart person. You've heard of Freud.
You took a psychology course in college. Clearly, you're qualified to
psychoanalyze your opponent. "Polly Purebread, by using the word 'zucchini' in
her posting, shows she has a bad case of penis envy."
3. Cross-post your flames: Everyone on the net is just waiting for the next
literary masterpiece to leave your terminal. From rec.arts.wobegon to
alt.gourmand, they're all holding their breaths until your next flame. Therefore,
post everywhere.
4. Conspiracies abound: If everyone's against you, the reason can't possibly be
that you're a creep. There's obviously a conspiracy against you, and you will be
doing the entire net a favor by exposing it.
5. Lawsuit threats: This is the reverse of Rule #4 (sort of like the Yin & Yang
of flaming). Threatening a lawsuit is always considered to be in good form. "By
saying that I've posted to the wrong group, Bertha has libeled me, slandered me,
and sodomized me. See you in court, Bertha."
6. Force them to document their claims: Even if Harry Hoinkus states outright
that he likes tomato sauce on his pasta, you should demand documentation. If
Newsweek hasn't written an article on Harry's pasta preferences, then Harry's
obviously lying.
7. Use foreign phrases: French is good, but Latin is the lingua franca of
flaming. You should use the words "ad hominem" at least three times per article.
Other favorite Latin phrases are "ad nauseum," "vini, vidi, vici," and "fetuccini alfredo."
8. Tell 'em how smart you are: Why use intelligent arguments to convince
them you're smart when all you have to do is tell them? State that you're a
member of Mensa or Mega or Dorks of America. Tell them the scores you
received on every exam since high school. "I got an 800 on my SATs, LSATs,
GREs, MCATs, and I can also spell the word 'premeiotic' ."
9. Accuse your opponent of censorship. It is your right as an American citizen
to post whatever the hell you want to the net (as guaranteed by the 37th
Amendment, I think). Anyone who tries to limit your cross-posting or move a
flame war to email is either a communist, a fascist, or both.
10. Doubt their existence: You've never actually seen your opponent, have you?
And since you're the center of the universe, you should have seen them by now,
shouldn't you? Therefore, THEY DON'T EXIST! This is the beauty of flamers'
logic.
11. Lie, cheat, steal, leave the toilet seat up.
12. When in doubt, insult: If you forget the other 11 rules, remember this one.
At some point during your wonderful career as a flamer you will undoubtedly
end up in a flame war with someone who is better than you. This person will
expose your lies, tear apart your arguments, make you look generally like a
bozo. At this point, there's only one thing to do: insult the dirtbag!!! "Oh yeah?
Well, your mother does strange things with vegetables."

The Golden Rule of Flaming
My flames will be witty, insulting, interesting, funny, caustic, or sarcastic, but never,
ever, will they be boring.

Here endeth the scriptures.


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