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Topics in this issue:

Word from the Moderator

Special Announcements

Food For Thought
1. A little quiz for you

2. Re: Impulse/luck, or.....?
From: Lynn Hayner

Continuing Discussions (5)

1. Re: Basic knowledge for internet business
Devasish Gupta

2. Re: Cesspool of Scams, etc.
Rudolph Burgzorg

3. Re: Mike Webingers question about money blaster
Andy Bryant

4. Re: Scott Evans Saying Hello
Douglas Sutter, Rebecca Beasley

New Discussions (4)
1. "Helloo Peoples!"
Donald Smith

2. An apology to all members of the digest
Russ Wilson/Webintel

3. Promote Your Web Address Everywhere
Tom Falco

4. Knicker Bocker College!
James Kinney

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Emerging Negative Tendencies On The JV Scenario! By S. Kumar

Joke of the Day
Word from Moderator

They say “you get what you pay for” and this is exactly what I got this week. At the
insistence of my partner we rented a cheaper server than the one we had and moved
all our websites in it. Well, a portion of the server crashed – not an uncommon
happening for a server – and we have been trying to get in touch with the owner’s
support for almost a week with no success *sigh* I think that by now my partner has
learned what I have been telling him all along: “cheaper” does not mean “bargain”!
There is ONE shining exception to this adage, of course: AdlandPro!! Even as a non-
paying member you get MORE than you could have imagined. And to prove it, here
is the new addition our dear overachiever program owner, Bogdan Fiedur, just made:

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A little quiz for you

I thought that a little online marketing quiz is just what we need to “pick up” this
section! He He
Answer HONESTLY and have fun!

1. Does a cyber-neon sign with the word “FREE” catch your eye?
2. Do you REALLY click on any banners?
3. Have you read ALL the free ebooks you have downloaded?
4. Do you ever CHECK your self-cleaning email box?
5. Are you REALLY blonde? (oh, that’s from another quiz… oh well!)

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Re: Impulse/luck, or.....?
From: Lynn Hayner

That story about Maria was great, but I took exception to the author's assumption
that it was "luck" that kept her from being hurt. She was being a "good Samaritan",
not only angry with the thief, but compassionate toward the elderly lady who lost her
purse. Maria was putting herself in a position where God could use her and He took
care of her through the experience. Not luck, providence!
Such action is not necessarily impulse, but may have come naturally to one
accustomed to do the right thing. Cowardice is habitual. Likewise, one who has the
love of God in their hearts will always do the right thing irrespective of
But, it is true that we, vacillating humans often do do things on impulse without
considering the possible outcomes. One of the many ways we differ from animals is
that ability reason from cause to effect. But many do not take the time to so reason.
Few criminals actually plan to go to prison. And few entrepreneurs plan to fail, but
many do, especially when jumping into fly-by-night online business ventures.


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MODERATOR: You are quite right, Lynn. I told Maria she had an angel looking out
for her that day. As a matter of fact, she told me that on an impulse that morning she
had gone to church and lit a couple of candles for no reason – something she had
never done before.


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============Continuing Discussion (1.1)==================

Re: Basic knowledge for internet business
From: Devasish Gupta

Hi Nada,

The Basic Knowledge of Internet Business is making a Sale, i.e.
successfully selling your products or services to customers that need it.

Selling is not at al difficult. You can sell almost anything on the Net.

What you need is a sound strategy and presence of mind to be successful in Internet

I hope you already have a website selling your services or products.

Now, the real question is How You can make your Web Site SELL?

Well, You should talk to Ken Evoy, check out his MYSS!2002 (Make Your Site

Hope you find answers to all your Internet Business queries..

Best of Luck...

Devasish Gupta
e-Commerce and Internet Business Tips and Techniques!

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Re: Cesspool of Scams, etc.
From: Rudolph Burgzorg

God forbid that we all should degenerate into a "Cesspool of Scams, Crooks and Con
Artists." Are we not each one responsible to make this world a better place even if it
is only in our own back yard?


True, Virginia, but growing up in an economic system in which the focus is on
wealth as being the criteria for success you are bound to have too many people trying
to be successful the wrong way. I suppose it is human nature to find the easiest way

Like you, Virginia, I was "burned" trying to find the right program. After 7, years of
trying I finally found the right program. This program is operated by a Dot Com
Millionaire and his wife. A Man who rose from Rags to Riches and is now prepared
to lend a helping hand to people of modest means so that they too could move from
where he was to where he is at present. Yes, Virginia, he is shouldering his
responsibility "to make this world a better place."

My days are now filled with a new outlook, hope, trust and something "real" to look
forward to! - PAUL CANNARIATO the owner of Business-World List. His
assessment of Reality M.


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Re: Mike Webingers question about money blaster
From: Andy Bryant

Hey Mike,
I paid to find out what you want to know."$8100 guaranteed into your account or we
will keep blasting out your ad until you do!" Mike, around this time last year I first
learned how to turn on the computer. Shortly thereafter I got hooked by a bunch of
these worthless scams. I joined the one called *******BLASTERS"
(even though they robbed me I'll show a little class by leaving out the beginning of
their name).I must have posted on every message board and free classifieds ad site
you can imagine to 'increase' the exposure of my "unique" url to bring people to my
doodoo blasters page. WELL, needless to say, with my countless hours of postings
combined with their so called 'continuous' blasting of MY ad (since last March) I
have accumulated Zip-Zero-Nada-Bupkis=NOTHING!! Wait a minute, maybe
they’re still 'BLASTING' !?!?...........

P.S.--They weren’t the only one who got me. That old saying rings so true........If it
sounds 'too easy' or 'too good to be true', then it is just that. I know the feeling, you
want to believe that there is an easy way to make money on the internet. Sure, the
working from the comfort of your own home part is great although nothing
worthwhile is 'easy'. A few months ago I slipped up and was stupid enough to once
again get sucked into an unnamed Randomizer. The copy was so good that they got
me. Paid for extra rotation and all. From the members list, I took 20 email addresses
of members. I wrote a very short, polite and humble greeting to my fellow members
and asked them if they had any success with this endeavor and if they wouldn’t mind
dropping me a line, only if they didn’t mind me asking. Purposely, I sent out 20
emails because I figured on some people not responding. Not one responded ( I
wonder if they even really exist) AND on the VERY DAY of joining (this part I
found out weeks later)someone went into my Paypal account and changed my
username and password. You have to use your Paypal account to accumulate
earnings. My Paypal account was intact and not used for a while until joining this
particular Randomizer. I contacted Paypal and they confirmed this for me. Be
Careful Newbies! There are a lot of wolves in sheep’s clothing out there. One of the
FANTASTIC things out there today is ADLANDPRO. You guys have taught me SO
much this past year and have my trust. I will be upgrading my member status in the
weeks ahead. Keep up the good work and Thank You All at AdlandPro.

Andy Bryant


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Re: Scott Evans Saying Hello
From: Douglas Sutter

Hello Scott,

The Digest is a wonderful place! Welcome!

Next, about the double opt in list. A word to the wise. Only way to go my friend.
Many big name businesses have switched to double opt in to protect themselves
against being accused of spamming. I tried to manually ad a person the other day to
one of my lists and guess what? The system sent out a letter requesting that person
to opt in before they would let his name be added. It surprised me, but I understand.
It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is these days online. Nobody wants to be
accused of spamming and loose their ISP, be fined etc. Protect yourself at the
beginning and then do business as usual.
Douglas Sutter
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Re: Scott’s Question
From: Rebecca Beasley

You mentioned owning a safelist and I had to give some input on this.

I've run safelists for years and I think maybe I can give you some pointers.

I don't want to shoot your idea down at all, but before you start a safelist thinking it's
going to pay you much money, I hope that you will consider this first.

There are thousands and thousands of safelist owners.
Some of these lists claim to have thousands of members but in my experience most
of them have a large number of inactive members and although they show a large
membership number that's not always the fact of the matter.

Also most people sign up for safelists for free, and a lot of owners give away several
hundred pro memberships to build their membership. Then people go inactive.
They're not paying for the membership so they don't care whether they use it or not.

If you're going to try to build a safelist with paid memberships, you're going to have
to have something worth more than the price of membership to entice them to sign
up paid. It could be a nice pack of software or a free slot in a random pay program,
or a free pro membership in another program, but most people will not pay for
membership in a new safelist with very few members. They want to be able to send
their ads to a lot of people at once. So they will use a larger safelist for free rather
than pay for one that's got just a few members.

I give away a lot of free stuff just to get signups.
It's working very well for me. You might want to use this as an idea for you own list.

If you're setting up your own script you need one that has all the best features and
that by itself can cost up to $200 or more.

You'll also need to have it hosted by a reliable company. That will cost about $10 a
month, and some hosts will only allow you to use the safelist scripts they're selling.
So in that case you would more than likely pay only for the hosting and a small fee
for the safelist per month.

I would not recommend using one of the scripts that is hooked up with submitters.
They send you a lot of free members who submit to your list from the submitter sites
and never even see your list page, so any advertisements or offers you have set up on
your page will not be seen.
The submitter companies will be paid, not you.

I have banned submitters from my safelists entirely and I'm encouraging the
members to interact with each other and offering them a lot of good free tools that
will help them to make money. As a result I have people willing to pay $3 for a
lifetime membership.

If you offer lifetime membership to the first 500 or so members you will grow your
member numbers faster, plus once you reach the higher number of members you can
then change to monthly membership fees.

I've had to do a lot of tweaking and studying of safelists and trends to get where I'm
at. And I've deleted hundreds of members for inactivity. I would rather have a
smaller number of active and responsive members who will read the ads of the other
members than to have a larger list of members who don't do anything.

I also recommend that you put your list in a directory with other safelists where your
members can sign up, log in and send all from the same community page.

This is what we have set up and I think it will be a good idea for any new safelist
owners just starting out. We offer the scripts, hosting and set up and the optimization
of your list, along with the page for your list to be on with a virtual house of your

We're going to be offering these for a very low price.
I hope that you will consider this.

Community Safelists

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Re: "Helloo Peoples!"
Donald Smith

My name is Donald Smith, I am 58 years of age, I live in Bartow Florida (THE
Sunshine state!), I am recently divorced, the father of 5 (Hey!
When the Lord said, “Multiply", I took him seriously. Besides, it was fun
:) ) And Grandfather to 5 with 2 step-grandkids. I am an avid FlagFootball Coach,
and enjoy breeding Budgerigars (for those NOT in the know:
Parakeets), and cultivating Roses.

I am also a walker and will walk almost anywhere! Cars are for wimps!

I also have several Internet Business Ventures in which I am associated and am
hopeful that I have piqued your interest concerning what it is that I am promoting. I
would love to show you mine! :)


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Re: An apology to all members of the digest
Russ Wilson/Webintel

This is an open apology to all members of the digest that have clicked on my links in
the recent posts I've made.

The host of my domain: http://webintel-is.here.ws, has gone down, and that link is no
longer active.

The new domain is: http://webintelishere.ws and will help you find my page.

Again, I apologize for the trouble I've caused by getting a free domain through a host
that is having problems. You won't find that problem again with the new domain. I

Russ Wilson/Webintel


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Re: Promote Your Web Address Everywhere
Tom Falco

Are you promoting your URL everywhere?

To attract more people to your website, a great idea is to promote offline.

Sure, the search engines and all types of on-line promotion is essential, but for many
sites selling unique products and services, offline sales work just as well.

Here are some great places to post your URL to the world:

* T-shirts (back and/or front)
* Letterheads (essential)
* Envelopes (essential)
* Business cards (essential)
* Bumper stickers
* Magnetic car signs
* School yearbooks
* School newspapers
* Local business guides
* Chamber of Commerce booklets
* Banners and signs at sporting events
* Paper cups, napkins, party items
used at charity functions
*Frisbees, koozies, post-it notes

These are low-cost ways to promote.

The list goes on and on. The main goal is to get your URL out there. Share your web
address with the world.
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Re: Knicker Bocker College!
James Kinney

We try to teach people to do their due diligence before joining any company. This
includes the one we represent as well as others.
Due diligence includes the company history, longevity, and how often they
restructure their compensation plan.

It includes an investigation of who the key players are what programs they have been
in. This is due to many players that promote certain types of compensation plans.

With compensation plans there are many things that have to be taken into
consideration. Are they designed with bonus requirements that allow money to flush
past their members up to the next qualifying member above them.

Are the bonus programs connected to a matching bonus, which very seldom happens.

Does the program allow the part-time marketer to recover their operating cost with
just a few people whether members or customers, or does it take a large group due to
the low payouts on the 1st and 2nd levels.

How deep in the program do the bonus over rides begin?

Does the company promote their program through hype, or do they present
reasonable facts that will present true earnings.

The largest problem with our industry today is the so called do nothing business
presentations that are promoted.

Responsible marketers should work to make our industry into an honorable

Network Marketing is the last bastion of free enterprise there is for the common
person to go into business and build a stable residual income!
James Kinney
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At my age the skin is thick...go for it :-)

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Emerging Negative Tendencies On The JV Scenario!
(c) Copyright S. Kumar 2004-2005

Would you ever propose a JV to a potential partner that insults his intelligence, aims
to squeeze the potential in his lists brutally and later on leaving him with a corrupted

Would you ever participate fully in a JV where the sole aim is to prostitute your hard
earned, well maintained lists?

As I write this, I have received 3 major JV invitations for Christmas and one of them
-- quite frankly, will result in serious abuse of your lists. Two e.g. are given below.

1. There is a 12 day stuff going on where the JV partners subscribers were initially
forced to download an email application which these JV proponent is trying to
And as a JV partner you don't know about it until you yourself enroll for receiving
these gifts!

But these guys became wise soon, changed their wrong approach and showed the
commitment to come up to the expectations of the JV partners.

2. Another JV venture, 117 gifts, is outrageous! Your subscriber is put through 6
steps before he gets the first set of gifts!

Your subscriber has to click through their product promotion page twice. The
objective is very clear! It is NOT to build the lists of both the JV proponent and JV
partner, but it is a cheap ploy to sell the products of the JV proponent!

Again the JV partner is neither aware nor informed about this! He joins with the
dream of getting a truck load of subscribers...but in fact he is compromising his own

What kind of a JV is this where participants are taken for a ride with hidden

Joining for JV's like this will seriously undermine your effectiveness with the future
interaction with your lists.

So what are basic steps to remember while proposing a JV or participating in a JV?

For The JV Proponent

1. Today you may be a guru. People may flock at your doorstep to enter into your
JV. But the moment you stop giving value and become interested only in getting
value from you JV partner, you are inviting trouble. A JV is always a Win-Win
situation. Remember that basic line forever as a JV proponent.

2. Put every card on the table to the JV partner. After all, he is your equal partner...
not someone to be taken for a ride. Remember that you are entering into JV for
substantial mutual benefit and your JV partner is not there to receive crumbs from

3. Avoid all types of hype with JV partner! After all, if you consider someone as
your JV partner, he has some standing for himself in the market as well as he is
successful in his own way! Do not insult his intelligence.

For The JV Participant

1. Carefully study the JV proposal before you jump into one!
Do not star blasting to your list just because there is word 'Gift' for your subscribers.

2. Do not fall the hype. Remember that your list is one of the most important
ingredients of your online business.
Respect your subscribers and care for them. Do not expose them to unscrupulous
marketers who come out the so called 'JV's.

3. Always do a 'SWOT'. That is, identify the Strengths, Weakness, Opportunities and
Threats before you participate in a JV.

4. Do not be scared that you will be left out of the race!
Have the full confidence that your business came into existence NOT because of
these so called gurus. It is because of your hard work, your will to learn, integrity,
customer orientation and the products you chose!

In a nut shell: Propose and participate in JVs if you mean it all the way!

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site he started from a remote village in India and took it to one of the top ranked sites
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How To Deal with Telemarketers

1. If they want to loan you money, tell them you just filed for bankruptcy and you
could sure use some money.

2. If they start out with, "How are you today?" say, "I'm so glad you asked, because
no one these days seems to care, and I have all these problems; my arthritis is acting
up, my eyelashes are sore, my dog just died..."

3. If they say they're John Doe from XYZ Company, ask them to spell their name.
Then ask them to spell the company name. Then ask them where it is located, how
long it has been in business, how many people work there, how they got into this line
of work, are they married?, kids?, etc. Continue asking them personal questions or
questions about their company for as long as necessary.

4. Cry out in surprise, “Judy! Is that you? Oh my God! Judy, how have you been?"
Hopefully, this will give Judy a few brief moments of terror as she tries to figure out
where she could know you from.

5. Say "No", over and over. Be sure to vary the sound of each one, and keep a
rhythmic tempo, even as they are trying to speak. This is most fun if you can do it
until they hang up.

6. If MCI calls trying to get you to sign up for the Family and Friends Plan, reply, in
as SINISTER a voice as you can, "I don't have any friends... would you be my

7. After the Telemarketer gives their spiel, ask him/her to marry you. When they get
all flustered, tell them that you could not just give your credit card number to a
complete stranger.

8. Tell the Telemarketer that you work for the same company, they often can't sell to

9. Answer the phone. As soon as you realize it is a Telemarketer, set the receiver
down, shout or scream, "Oh No!!!" and then hang up.

10. Tell the Telemarketer you are busy at the moment and ask him/her if he/she will
give you his/her HOME phone number so you can call him/her back. When the
Telemarketer explains that telemarketers cannot give out their HOME numbers you
say "I guess you don't want anyone bothering you at home, right?" The Telemarketer
will agree and you say, "Me, either!" Hang up.

11. Ask them to repeat everything they say, several times.

12. Tell them it is dinner time, BUT ask if they would please hold. Put them on your
speaker phone while you continue to eat at your leisure. Smack your food loudly and
continue with your dinner conversation.

13. Tell the Telemarketer you are on "home incarceration" and ask if they could
bring you a pizza.

14. Ask them to fax the information to you, and make up a number.

15. Insist that the caller is really your buddy Leon, playing a joke. "Come on Leon,
cut it out! Seriously, Leon, how's your mom?"

16. Tell them you are hard of hearing and that they need to speak up... louder...
louder... louder...

17. Tell them to talk VERY SLOWLY, because you want to write EVERY WORD


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