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                                         Vol. 1 issue #452 April 11, 2005


 

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Word from the Moderator
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Food For Thought
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Are you a Salesperson?

Responses to Previous Tidbits (3)
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Cathy Wagner, Angelo Minneboo, Rebecca Beasley

Continuing Discussions (6)
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1. Re: Why do Internet marketers lie so bluntly?
Sharon Bray-McPherson, Ervin Hoath

2. Re: Responding to Joe Stewart
Ken Webb. Paul Skinner

3. Re: Are Affiliates Being Short Changed - Follow Up
Paul Skinner

4. Re: Green Zap
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Boy, it’s HARD to have to think of something new to say every 3-4 days… because
that is how often the Digest is being published now, thanks to the contributions from
YOU, our dedicated members. So… this is not new, but next to April in Paris, I
think the next best thing is April in Greece. Or May or June all the way up to
October as a matter of fact ;-) It has been beautiful outside this weekend and
dragging myself to the computer has been difficult. I hope you are enjoying spring if
you are in the Northern hemisphere too!

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Are you a Salesperson?
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I’ve heard it said that some people are just born with the charisma of a salesperson
and others are not. Personally, I do not consider myself a salesperson – I think that if
my life depended on going from door-to-door selling makeup or whatever, I would
probably starve to death. Nevertheless, I am in online marketing, which most
definitely includes selling, and if you are receiving this publication, so are you.

So, tell me… are YOU a salesperson and what does it take to be a good one?


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=================Responses to Previous Tidbits==============

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Re: Are you a positive thinker?
From: Cathy Wagner


Hi Amalia,

For some reason I haven't been receiving recent issues of the Digest and so I decided
to come looking for it. :) I'm glad I did! I love this question.

I've been working on my thought patterns too and I don't think success is just a
matter of thinking positively, although that is very important.

What I am learning is that personal energy, although unnoticed by many people, is
very powerful. We use it all the time whether we know it or not. We attract what we
focus on. If we dwell on the negative, we attract more negative events, but if we
focus on the positive, we will attract more positive events.

But, beyond that, if we want to improve the situation we are in, we must encourage
our subconscious to feel the success we desire in order to attract it. This can be
tricky, because our subconscious resists what it believes to be untrue and so it takes a
concerted effort to literally retrain the subconscious to accept prosperous thoughts.

Some will think this sounds far fetched, but it really is true and I am living proof. :)
I've been working with a prosperity mentor to retrain my subconscious thought
patterns and so many things have gone from good to great in my life, in such a short
period of time that it's nothing short of miraculous.

I'm not the only indicator either. You probably know Joe Vitale's new bestselling
book deals with this exact concept. More and more people are realizing their true
success potential lies in their attitude.


Have a Profitable Day,

Cathy Wagner

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Re: food for thought
From: Angelo Minneboo

Hello everyone,
Although my previous 'bit' was leaning heavily towards negativity, I would like to
follow up to that with expressing Who I am and how I act and react towards my
environment. I am by nature a very happy person; I do not need nor want very much.
I try to bring something real, friendly and good to every situation I encounter, that
way I can be sure that whatever happens after that situation I know I am most likely
to receive what I have given. At least that is my 'way of thinking’! However when
reality sets in that can be something quit different than what my frame of mind tells
me!!
It's rather like the Afilliate (programs) or games we play on the Internet, we get
hyped up by a program that promises us Golden Years are coming If only You ....
But then when reality sets in (at least for the Majority) wooops that’s a whole other
ballgame!!

And there is negativity roaring its ugly head around the corner again!!
But can anyone be blamed for that?

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Re: Negative Actions, Positive Reactions
From: Rebecca Beasley

How do you turn a negative into a positive?

This is something I practice every day and sometimes it's really difficult. You have
people who get out of bed on the wrong side and are bound and determined to ruin
your day as well as theirs. And if you don't deal with them in a positive way, they
can accomplish their goal and you find you've wasted your entire day arguing with
them over nothing.

Remember… for every action, there is an EQUAL and OPPOSITE REACTION. In
simple terms what this means is that you will either have an equal reaction… as in…
I walk up and punch you in the face, you're probably going to do the same to me
right?

Or an opposite reaction...
You walk up to me and punch me in the face and I say...

"I'm sorry you had a bad day. Is there something I can do to help you?"

Would you feel bad then about punching me in the face?

Wouldn't you be likely to say… "I'm sorry I don't know what came over me!"

This is a really drastic example… but the same thing applies to how you deal with
people who might get in your craw or bug you all day asking one question after
another. If you respond with kindness no matter what, they will be more likely to see
you as a strong leader who can keep their cool... and they will probably want to be
more like you.

Do you have the patience to keep your tone of voice or your replies in instant
messenger friendly and professional even when they are being a pain in the
backside? This is something that will make a big difference in the number of people
who will come to you asking for help and advice, and you will be building your
business with respect and teaching your members at the same time. But it takes
practice. And sometimes you have to bite your tongue and just shut up for a while
before you say what you really want to say, but it is sure worth it in the long run.

Don't let them know that you're not doing well...
Never speak negatively about someone else's business... unless of course you know
for a fact it's a scam and can prove it with documentation from several different
places, then you would be saving them the trouble of finding out the hard way...
Never tell a member of your downline or a prospect about your health problems,
your religious preferences, sexual preferences, or anything else that doesn't
specifically pertain to business unless THEY bring the subject up, and even then
don't try to outdo their aches and pains or their horror stories. It will make you look
bad and possibly make them decide against joining under you. Use phrases like
"great job! Wow that's awesome! You've really come a long way! You are going to
make it!

Don't say things like… If I had the money I would join this program or that… Or I
just don't have time to do this on top of all my other jobs.

Give the impressions that you’re doing well… you’re not worried about it, and you
KNOW it's going to work out. If you have problems, deal with your upline, but don't
use your downline for a sounding board. And for heavens sake never ask your
downline members for money to bail you out of a problem! That's just not kosher!

Do you want them to think that you're incapable of earning money without asking for
a handout?

When someone asks how you're doing, your best reply would be I'm doing great
today! And I will even be doing better tomorrow!

Sincerely,
Rebecca Beasley

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Re: Why do Internet marketers lie so bluntly?
From: Sharon Bray-McPherson

In response to the following comments by William Jaroske found in the last issue of
the Digest:

"The answer is very simple. They do it because they are desperate. So desperate, that
they are willing to telling you anything just to get you to sign up.

These very people I have no respect for... However, the people tend to hang out on
certain areas of the web. I'm sure you find a lot of them on WAH oriented sites and
mlm forums.

Why on earth would someone tell you that there is a way to make tons of money
quickly? You can do that working a regular job. That is the only way you can make
money fast next to holding garage sales, but who ever got rich quick having garage
sales? That is the most outrageous thing I ever heard LOL."


William, it appears that once again you have opened your mouth before doing your
research.

Think nobody gets rich from Garage Sales? Take a look at:
http://www.garagesaletip.com or
http://www.garagesalebonanza.com

BTW, I do not own either of these websites nor am I associated with the owners or
using affiliate urls.

In the area where I live you now have to get a business license if you hold more than
4 garage sales per year so taxes can be collected from those that earn their FULL-
TIME INCOME with garage sales. I might add that most of those making "full-time
garage sale income" have become quite wealthy - doing the most outrageous thing
you ever heard.

Also William, unless you run your online business from an outside office I'm
assuming that you, like the majority of internet marketers, operate your business
from home. Does that not mean that you also WAH? And your inference that you'll
find most of the lying internet marketers hanging out on MLM forums is so
ridiculous that it does not even warrant a response.

Sharon Bray-McPherson

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Re: so true ken
From: Ervin Hoath

Good post Ken. You are so right about being held liable for making false claims.
When I first started out if I signed up to a program I would not use the sales letter
they provided as it made claims to something I had not accomplished yet and I still
don't.

I do think, however, if a court case was made against an up line for using a sales
letter from the owner that that owner would also be help responsible for providing
the letter in the first place. Most legit owners do put in their sales letters that you use
that so and so did this in xx# of days and so on and they usually have documented
proof of it. It’s when some one takes these letters and edits them to make false claims
that they are lining themselves up for trouble.

I know in Canada that it is against the law to make these claims even if it is true. If
you put in any claims at all it has to be the average numbers not what the few highly
motivated people make.

It does strike me as kind of a ridiculous law as they have no problem advertising
showing people on the beach on some exotic island some where with there lottery
winnings. You would almost have a better chance of being in an MLM and do
nothing than you would to win a lottery but this is O.K. to the gov.

People that make the big money doing fraudulent things only make that money
because of people’s greed and the need to get something for nothing.
That’s why these programs work. They never seem to stop and think is this for real
and check it out. I know if I see a claim to make 10000 in two days I turn and run the
other way. I am in this for the long haul and besides working for your money helping
others do the same is far more rewarding and it last a lot longer.

Have a great day.


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Re: Responding to Joe Stewart
From: Ken Webb

Sorry Joe but I think you missed the point regarding cookies.
If an affiliate program relies on cookies for the sale then it doesn't matter how many
follow up messages you send, the chances are you will not get the commission.
Cookie crunchers will see to that.

Problem is nobody has yet come up with a solution.
Until they do then promoting affiliate programs that rely on cookies is a lottery.

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Re: Joe Stewart about commissions lost depending on method of promotion
From: Paul Skinner

Hi Joe,

I have to disagree with some of the comments.

Firstly, the reason I asked the question on affiliates being short changed is that I have
my own link tracking software database. Not only do I log a visit to a sales page, but
I track the clicks on a order link on that page. When I start seeing 200 visits on an ad
page and 100 click the order link, hence they want to buy it (presold!), and only 3
commissions show up the next day I start to ask questions, was the referral ID lost
cos of the security of peoples pcs now?
This is just one example. and that one was just for CB hop links which have been
improved recently but still use cookies for tracking the order from the vendors site.

Secondly, even if you grab the person email and follow up, it doesn’t mean you don’t
have to worry about if its tracked and forget about security and the cookie being
blocked.. as you still wont get the commission from your sales page as your id is
lost/blocked when the order happens.
Even if you send a follow up email with a hop link say, and they use Norton’s or
some spyware cookie muncher means you loose out. The merchant gets the lot of
cash. You zilch.

The net evolves, so the affiliate tracking must evolve or die. ie sessionless cookies
and server db tracking visits, not rely on clients pc to hold your info.

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Re: Are Affiliates Being Short Changed - Follow Up
From: Paul Skinner

Hi All,

Seems at least Clickbank have changed the hop links to bypass some of the new
security blocking affiliates tracking and them in turn not being rewarded a
commission. So basically it’s more like a dedicated link and follows similar to what
amazon have done with their direct linking to products.

If you have not read the weblog lately here is a copy for your benefit.

hmm, I wonder if they read adlandpros discussion and got on to it. LOL. Nah just
consequence but it has been needed for ages now..

Means better fits with search engines and ridding variables is a must. Still it must
write to a cookie in the jump and not store temp. on their server since it still supports
the old hop method so means one could be short changed if cookie is blocked still.

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Re: New hoplink format added.
A new, simpler hoplink url format has been added. The format is as follows:

http://AFFILIATE.VENDOR.hop.clickbank.net

Affiliates may find higher conversion rates using the newer format because the
personalized domain name will not be recognized by filters and spyware that block
advertisements. Also, vendors may appreciate the new format because it is easier to
explain to new affiliates.

Note that we have seen some message forums posting the wrong format.
The format above is the correct one. Note in particular that AFFILIATE comes
before VENDOR, and no "?" or "/" is needed at the end.

Also note that you are completely free to continue using the regular
hop.clickbank.net format if you like. The tracking on our end works exactly the same
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Re: Green Zap
From: Ken Webb

I just noticed a link to Green Zap in today’s edition.
I hope you checked the program out thoroughly before you joined because I am a
little concerned.
If they are a viable alternative to Paypal they would not need to give you $25.00 to
join.
This seems overly generous to me.
No doubt to get the $25.00 you will need to give them your bank details?
Maybe I am overly cautious but I do suggest you investigate thoroughly before
getting involved.


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