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Vol. 1 issue #335  Mar, 09, 2003

Topics in this issue:

Sponsor Message
Word from Publisher
1.Habeas, Inc

C o n t i n u i n g   D i s c u s s i o n s (8)

1.New Digest Form
~Mike Hills
~Tom Laing
~Donna Knight
~Brenda Short
~Ellis Toussier
~Joe Huguenard
~Mike LeMay
~Pauline Phillips
~Ray Dobbs
~Egon Schnare
~Trevor Johnson
~Jennifer Holman
~Anita Foley
~Gary Kidd

2.Inetekk for list building?
~Amalia Sotiriadou
~Doug Appleby

3.Text -vs- HTML E-Zines
~Natalie Bodrova.
~Mike Hills
~Gary Kidd

4.Never pay for website promotion again.
~Andy Sparks
~Robert Lee

5.How do YOU send out group mail?
~Natalie Bodrova.

6.Long Road to Success
~Cheryl A. Crossan
~Audra Gehrke
~William Jaroske

7.Advice from Me to You
~Robert Lee
~John Olson

8.An Internet marketer grows or goes away
~John Olson

N e w     P o s t s  (4)

1.Jerry Combs
~Free Downline Club

2.Heidi Pritchard
~Help with advertizing my product

3.Natalie Bodrova.
~I am not getting every issue of the News Letter

4.Robert Williams
~Free Advertising?

Site Review Requests   (0)

Site Review Responses   (7)

1.SkyDon Fletcher

2.Curtis Hunter

3.Jennifer Holman

4.Robert Lee

5.Robert Lee

6.Maxine Cancemi

7.John Olson

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Joke of the Day

================== Word from publisher ====================

Greetings All

Welcome  300 new subscribers who joined list since last mailing.



=================Habeas, Inc=====================
From: Marianne E. Payton

 Dear Bogdan & All Adlanders:

I realize I don't post often.  However, since I have only seen a few
mention the new Habeas Header, I thought I should write and inform all
about just what is going on.  We have a crisis developing regarding the
delivery of our ezines, as well as our personal email. There are so many
"Spam filters" on the Internet, as well as others, who are trying to
determine what the Spam is before we ever see it, ~ we are being put into
a position that we are not being given the right to be able to determine
whether it is or is not Spam.

 As most of you know, I am a member of i-Cop and this organization
is there to help not only the business on the Internet, but the
consumer as well. The name of this "new helper???" is Habeas, Inc.
Please go to the URL below and read the article there.  However, this is
information EVERYONE  who uses email NEEDS to know, regarding the
future of Internet email.

 The whole thing came to light in the beginning of this new year and
you can read more about it at the link below.

 <a href=""> </a>

 I know we have seen so many hoaxes about the future of emails being
something we all have to pay for and this was a proven hoax. However,
this is NOT A HOAX.  What's worse, another company has also emerged
doing the same identical thing. Do you really want to have to pay
for our free emails?  I know I don't.  And, as the publisher of my
ezine, I am not about to be paying these people $200 for a license
to be sure my ezine gets through all of those Spam filters. . and this
is just for a "small ezine", no where near the size of Adland's.

Here is a copy of the Habeas-SWE header.
The only changes made were removal of IP numbers
and other identifying codes. Don't miss the first line.

 Received: from
for < <>>; Tue, 4 Feb 2003
 04:21:35 -0600
Received: from annie by
for < <>>; Tue, 4 Feb 2003
02:25:45 -0800 (PST)
X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring
X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated
X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm)
X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm)
X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of
X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas
X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas
X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam.  Please report use of
X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to <>.
From: "Anne P. Mitchell, Esq." <
Organization: Habeas - the email you want

 "Habeas - the email you WANT?"

 "Please!  How about, "Habeas - the email we DON'T want!"

 Dr. j.l. Scott, the president of i-Cop Org. made a prediction
about this earlier in her ezines from the Whistle Blower and
this has proved her correct.  What's worse? She just announced:

"Another pay-to-send email company - Coravue - has already come
on the scene!  It launched on January 27, 2003 - that didn't
take long, did it?

 "This one wants you to host with them and be able to send one
million emails "free" the "first 12 months," using a copyrighted
certificate to get past the Spam filters.  Of course, a weekly
ezine with 20,000 subscribers will use that million free sends
in less than a year.

"They won't tell you what it costs after that, at least, not on
the site.  You have to write to them for additional information.
In fact, they give very little information on the site.  Guess
it's a secret!

 "Check this one out at <a href=""> </a>

 "So, there's my first prediction come true.  Habeas, Inc. is
only the tip of the iceberg compared to what's coming!  If you
have been doubting the seriousness of all this, PLEASE think

 I know this is lengthy and a whole lot of reading, but to keep our
Internet free, there has to be a stop to it.  It's going to take a
whole bunch of us signing the Petition you will find here:

 <a href=""> </a>

The Good News

The good news is the International Petition to send to U.S.
Congress is doing well!  Yet, we need thousands MORE signatures
and we need them quickly!  To be effective, we need MANY
thousands of signatures on this petition to stop pay-to-send
email, and do something about spam - WITHOUT hurting online

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) is having a Public Forum on
Spam Email in Washington, D.C. the end of April.  We need to
get that petition, along with all its comments, presented at
that gathering.

This public forum is to gather information from all interested
parties, and there will be 14 different subjects.  This is
something concrete, and it may spur some who tend to think these
things don't really help.  THIS will be a place where we can
definitely be heard and considered, even if it is by petition!

You can read about the FTC's public forum here:

So, of course, I'm going to ask you once again to help spread
the word.  After returning the petition form to us, please ask
everyone you know online to sign it too.  You may send them a
copy, or have them visit:

<a href=""> </a>

Please be SURE they know we're NOT talking about the old urban
legend concerning the government taxing email.  This is a
different situation - and it's REAL!

Online forums and email lists are also great places to let people
know we need their help!  It is VERY important that our voices be
heard in Washington, D.C.!

If you live outside the USA, your voice is still important!
These issues affect International Trade, and Washington IS
interested in your views!

If you do business on the Internet, any regulations in the U.S.
WILL affect you directly.  Most of the harmful anti-spam
activity comes from here, and we need to stop it!

Without spam filters and blacklists, there would be absolutely
NO perceived need for pay-to-send email programs.

Oh!  I need to mention something else right here.  It seems
that many people who use email, but are NOT in any serious
online business, aren't too concerned about pay-to-send email.
This is because Habeas, Inc. has committed to always keeping its
"Individual License" free.

Once this gets a foot-hold, no one had better believe that even
personal email won't eventually have a fee slapped on it.
Whether Habeas does it, or the ISPs do it, or a NEW company
comes along and does it - it WILL be done!

Remember where you heard it.  If you don't sign this petition,
don't cry later.

 Now, you can't say you weren't warned. It will take all of us to
ban together to get rid of this kind of disgraceful action taken
by those who only want our money ~ anybody's money.

 God Bless,
 Marianne E. Payton

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every
 purpose under the heaven. (Ecc 3:1-2)




===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.1)=============
From:Mike Hills
Subject:New Digest Form

Hi Bogden.

personally, I don't find this a problem,

I have been sending out each issue of my own eZine " Daily Classifieds "
in 2 forms as well for the past 4 months.

1) I send out a full html issue.

2) I follow up with a small TEXT issue pointing to an online version.

My readership rate increased by about 30% doing that.

Good luck

Mike Hills


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.2)=============
From:Tom Laing
Subject:New Digest Form

Hi Bogdan
I like the new format.
However to improve delivery you might have to lose the "#" in the subject
line. I read recently that Yahoo is filtering all emails which have one in
the subject line.
Keep it up.
I was sorry to read about your recent loss in the last issue.  Please
accept my belated condolences.



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.3)=============
From:Donna Knight
Subject:New Digest Form

I personally think HTML is easier on the eyes than all text e-mails. I
spend a lot of time reading computer screens so anything that eases the
eye strain is a welcome change for me.


Donna Knight

The Site Hits Master
Site Hits, Inc.


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.4)=============
From:Brenda Short
Subject:New Digest Form

Hi Bogdan

  With only a 56k modem the archives webpage takes to long to load, plus,
I have to be online.
  I much prefer a text version that can be read offline.
I can always go back online after I have read it all to click any links I
am interested in.
  Html newsletters have a habit of being scanned and then deleted from my
Inbox. Adland, however, is diverted to it's own folder on receipt, that
way it doesn't get lost amongst the other junk.
  Please keep sending the text version for people like me.

Keep up the good work

Brenda Short

The Equal Chance Club


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.5)=============
Subject:New Digest Form

Adrian Elman

Just confirming that I am most happy to receive the HTML version Bogdan.

Thanks for staying abreast of the times. No doubt you will get a few
people trying to hold on to the past.



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.6)=============
From:Ellis Toussier
Subject:New Digest Form

Hello Bogdan,

I was unable to read the Adland Digest in the new
form... When I click on the link that says I will
be able to read it, I get a message that says:

"Your email message has been idle and this link has become inactive. To
access the link, close this window and return to your MSN Hotmail Message.
Then click the browser's Refresh button or close your message and reopen

It is not true that my e-mail message has been
idle, since I tried to go again after closing and
opening Hotmail, and it still happened... but...
I was able to come to this page, by copying and
pasting the URL.

In the meantime, I will re-subscribe to the written
version, but I think I will prefer this new version
once we get it working..

Ellis Toussier


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.7)=============
From:Joe Huguenard
Subject:New Digest Form

Hi Bogdan,

    My name is Joe Huguenard. I have been an Adland
subscriber for only a short time,(about 3 months)and
I love it!  The only comment I could think of as to
the new format is the fact that it is not readily
available in my saved mail. Sure, I can save the one
I received with the link to your online form, but how
long will that be posted at that URL?

    I save and refer back to all of my saved mail from
time to time, especially Adland Digest, and I use it
to help train my downline. I have no problem at all with this new format,
but you may want to save them in an archive or something that is
accessible at all times from the new Adland Digest page.

    Other than that, you have an AWESOME source of
informative material and I will remain a subscriber as
long as you continue to offer it.

Thanks Bogdan,

Joe Huguenard


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.8)=============
From:Mike LeMay
Subject:New Digest Form

I received this in my Bulk Folder, so Yahoo's bulk email guard thinks it's
junk mail


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.9)=============
From:Pauline Phillips
Subject:New Digest Form

Ginger Geracitano writes,

What if your text issue isn't delivered due to filters like SpamAssasin,
or similar?<

Everyone who sends a newsletter should first have it checked for Spam
errors. I use Spamcheck
( ) for that as part of my
newsletter preparation. Every newsletter passes the test before it's sent.

Pauline Phillips



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.10)=============
From:Ray Dobbs
Subject:New Digest Form

I like my news letters in text format. I have been with Adland newsletter
for well over three years.

This new format idea would be a pain. Having to request the text version
by email would just add to the chores of the day. And would soon become
not worth the hassle.

If you could make it a one time send email to always get the newsletter
delivered in text format I would be interested.

Ray Dobbs


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.11)=============
From:Egon Schnare
Subject:New Digest Form

Hi Bogdan,
I am German and residing in Germany....just to let you know whereabouts I
I believe this change was long overdue. It is a splendid idea giving the
subscriber the choice whether to read the digest online or on request
The disadvantage for you is, the subscribers do not have your digest
directly in their inbox, whether they want it or not. This may be only a
small percentage I mean those who are not really interested,therefore you
may skip this percentage.
For those who are interested this is the best way now. Congratulation to
that decision. Very good !

..........and, I like your new design !

My best regards


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.12)=============
From:Trevor Johnson
Subject:New Digest Form

A couple of comments....

FIRSTLY: I was intrigued by the date of the edition. Either it took a year
to get here, or you are still working from last year's calendar. ("Adland
Digest  #334 Mar 2, 2002")

SECONDLY: For the first time, it was delivered to the Yahoo "bulk mail"
folder.... Normally I would not even check the bulk email folder, but I
was expecting Adland Digest and it was not in my inbox.

Your HTML is filled with all sorts of stuff that trigger spam filters.

Please go back to plain text and the previous style IMMEDIATELY.



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.13)=============
Subject:New Digest Form

Sam Thorne

The new format looks much more modern and professional. It should be
possible for an index at the top of the message to link directly to
articles. I would like that very much!




===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.14)=============
From:Jennifer Holman
Subject:New Digest Form

Jennifer Holman

WOW!  Great idea.  Effective, too!  I can quickly access my account right
from the email!  This is a great reminder to the inexperienced of the
importance of advertising and with the more professional looking digest
new people are more likely to upgrade to gold faster!  Great for you and
great for affiliates.

The only thing I didn't like when I opened the email was that I had to
click maximize to open the window further so I could see the whole
message.  A small inconvenience but, I still had an initial response of
"oh jeez."  I get email from a few companies that force me to do extra
work just to read my email.  When I have a total load of email to go
through, the extra work is a hinderance.

However, this could be seen as a positive.  If I really want the info, I
will make the extra effort to get it.  But, as far as marketing for the
upgrade, I'm not sure of the impact this might have on the free membership

I hate to admit that I am as impatient as I am to get irritated at an
extra click of a button for valuable info.  But, I doubt I'm unlike most
business folk sorting through their email.

Hope my feedback's helpful.  Like I said, you made a great impression on
me once I got past the "oh jeez" factor.

Jennifer L. Holman


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.15)=============
From:Anita Foley
Subject:New Digest Form

Hi Bogdan:

I think the new procedure for delivering Adland Digest is just fine. It's
necessary because everything is different now on the Internet. We all have
to make the changes necessary to continue to do business online. Just
remember what Jimmy Dean said, "I can't change the direction of the wind,
but I can adjust my sails to always reach my destination."

Anita Foley


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (1.16)=============
From:Gary Kidd
Subject:New Digest Form

I do prefer HTML Ezines. But if you are to ask people to read online, then
you must make sure that with every link you have inside, that when someone
clicks on it, it opens in a new window.

A small piece of code is all you need.
Just add   target="_blank" after the link and before the >.

This will save your readers having to keep clicking return everytime they
click a link in your Ezine.

Apart from that, it was good!

Gary J Kidd



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.1)=============
From:Amalia Sotiriadou
Subject:Inetekk for list building?

Hi Claire :)

I got into Inetekk last year through Playcheck Direct. When I first
entered, they had a "drip mail" system where you could post your own
messages once a week. You could also write whatever messages you wanted in
your autoresponder. I had found these features quite responsive.
Unfortunately, a few months later they removed that ability from the
"free" version I was using, and came up with the "Gold" version, which was
no longer free with my opportunity. I was quite upset and thought of
dropping the program altogether.

Now Club Midas has added Inetekk to their tools arsenal - hidden somewhere
in the member's area where I could never find it! This is when I took a
serious look at the situation. Neither Club Midas nor Playcheck Direct was
bringing me a satisfactory income - they are fine enterprises, I just
could never make them work for me. So I dropped my paid memberships there
and upgraded to Inetekk Gold instead. I now have my "drip mail" back plus
the autoresponder to use as I like.

The leads you get from Inetekk are no better and no worse than any leads
you would get from owning an FFA page, except that you get more of them.
If you get Veretekk to do the mailing for you, you don't have to worry
about spam headaches or about how to do your own mailing. It's not
panachea, but if it brings me in a few sales a month, it's worth the cost
of maintaining it.

Amalia Sotiriadou


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (2.2)=============
From:Doug Appleby
Subject:Inetekk for list building?

Hi Claire

I have used the Inetekk / Veretekk system through a program that offers it
but over the past 12 months have found it has evolved to be practically
worthless as many of the features have progressively become elements of
the range of paid upgrade features.

In the past, you could download your unverified contacts and process them
with your own Group Mail or Autoresponder software. Now you can only
verify or access your contact list if you upgrade and use their
verification tools - which is a further upgrade cost.

I downloaded my unverified contact list just before they closed this
option (67,000+) and have found it to be full of duplicates and bogus
names and emails - and about as useful as you might expect unverified
leads from FFA postings to be. Not only useless, but dangerous to send
even a Permission / Double opt-in confirmation to.

Apart from that, mail to the email alias that you use in the system is now
forwarded to you at the mail account you use in the program you signed to
Veretekk from, resulting in masses of autoresponse and "offer" mail coming

I have closed my account.

Doug Appleby



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (3.1)=============
From:Natalie Bodrova.
Subject:Text -vs- HTML E-Zines

Hi Merle,

We do offer an HTML and text version.
Text is simple to handle, easy to write, small to send.
HTML look professional. I like HTML ezines - they look better.
Mostly My subscribers prefer HTML version to receive.

I am using Front Page program and I like Text2Html program.
It converts text files to HTML format.

I highly recommend Download Text2Html Fr^^ware:

Good luck and happy prosperity to all,

Natalie Bodrova.

Fre^ Ebooks and fre^ 5 line Ad a week for every subscriber
Computer Business Ezine. Articles, marketing and promotion,
downloads, business ideas:


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (3.2)=============
From:Mike Hills
Subject:Text -vs- HTML E-Zines


In response to

From:Ginger Geracitano
Subject:Text -vs- HTML E-Zines

I couldn't agree more. I have been using virtually the same system for the
past few months.

Although I send out my eZine in HTML format. I follow up with just


To read Issue 158 of the Daily Classifieds eZine "  Habeas e Mail threat
update and action " online
Please go to

You can always save it to read offline by going to " File " - " save as "
The page will be saved to your My Documents folder.


As I put a full stats counter in my e mails, and online version. I can
track a large number of my readership.

By doing the above. my trackable readership increased 30%. Just for
sending out the second small text version. So far I have received no
complaints about the extra e mail.

To receive full details of all the Daily Classifieds group of sites and
to use them. please send an e mail to

Mike Hills

Get $25 free Now.


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (3.3)=============
From:Gary Kidd
Subject:Text -vs- HTML E-Zines

Following up on the argument regarding HTML or Text Ezines.

As an Ezine publisher you have many choices available
to you. Send in text. Send in HTML. Send an email telling them it is
online, or get them to send a email to an autoresponder.

So which do you use?

I have tested all ways, and the best response to all my Ezines, and Solo
Ads I send out come from HTML emails.

I also send in text so that those who cannot read HTML get the text
and no monthly payments either like Aweber.

Do yourself a huge favour if you are not sure what to do.

Test each type. With HTML you can place a small image in the Ezine with a
tracking link. This will then tell you how many people open your Ezine.

Send an email telling them to read your Ezine online. Use a tracking link
to see how many click the link.

Send an email telling them to write to your autoresponder. See how many
actually do.

Finally, send a text Ezine out, and put a link at the top asking them to
click here if they received your email.

Find out whatever works best for you.

Some Ezines work better in text. Some work better in HTML. Most important
of all. Make sure your content is of value to your readers, then it will
not matter which form you send in, as they will want to read your Ezine

Gary J Kidd



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (4.1)=============
From:Andy Sparks
Subject:Never pay for website promotion again.

I think it stings much less to tell them up front that starting a business
is going to require a little money than to let them waste 6 months or a
year on ineffective techniques.

I have used every free ad and technique that I could possibly find and I
was unsuccessful. No Sales, No traffic, dead in the water.  Based upon my
personal experience, I can't tell them what you would like me to say.  I
am absolutely convinced that most of the stuff Newbie's are told to do,
doesn't work.  They are often told these things because it benefits the
one doing the telling, not the Newbie.

I sell real estate for a living and to this day, the real estate industry
tells new associates to hold open houses.  Once in a sales meeting, I
mentioned that open houses were not very effective and a lady got really
angry and informed me that one time a couple came in to her open house and
bought the house on the spot.  Now that sounded just fine unless you knew
the lady had been selling houses almost twenty years and the technique
worked once.

I have only three Internet techniques that I feel the results are worth
the effort.  By far my best and most productive technique is to build
search engine optimized pages that deliver quality information.  You build
them one time and they keep working for you as long as your site is live.
If you are already paying for hosting, this is no additional charge.  You
can direct the search engine traffic to an affiliate program or to your
own business, it doesn't matter.

I have found Adland Pro World's Free Classifieds to be very effective.  I
buy extra impressions and run them as banner ads.  If you have something
to promote that relates to Internet Marketing, you won't find a better
place to advertise.

But most of the readers of this Digest are missing the boat.  Bogdan has
35,000 or more subscribers and just over 11,000 affiliates.  If you want
good ads for free, become an affiliate and Bogdan will hook you up with
free ads, when you send him some traffic.

If you are not an affiliate, use this link,

The third technique was great while it lasted but since they are reviewing
the way domains expire, registering expired domains might have gone the
way of the dinosaur.

If you want to keep telling people free ads are okay, that is your choice.
But I can not in good faith recommend any free ads other than Adland Pro.

I tell newbies that free ads are ineffective because I firmly believe that
to be a true and accurate statement.

Elizabeth,  You are basically saying, let's not tell them the whole truth
so we don't hurt their feelings.  While I understand that sentiment, I
don't want you for a business advisor.  If someone is giving me business
advice, I want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Andy Sparks

It is one of those search engine pages, I talk about.


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (4.2)=============
From:Robert Lee
Subject:Never pay for website promotion again.

Elizabeth Piotrowski says: Oh and by the way, yes - I hit #3 at Google
after I had my own domain name. But it didn't happen overnight - it
happened a year later. Better late than never, I always say.
End Quote.

And she's missed my point yet again. Elizabeth, do you honestly believe
that you could have received a good Google rank if you had maintained your
free name and hosting? Do you honestly believe that your answer to the
question is a "yes"?

Then why would you say to someone that they could make money with free
hosting and without their own domain name? I admit that a free site is a
great launching pad. It can be a very affordable way to learn to be a
webmaster, learn the ins and the outs of web promotion. But to say that it
is what someone needs to get started "and make money online" is a lie in
this day and age.
I had (and still have) this web site:
It earned me my second thousand dollars online and started me on my way to
where I am today. My first website was a free site at (if
anyone can remember that far back!). It earned me my first thousand
Back in 1997, regular people didn't really own domain names. But I learned
quickly that your own domain is the way to go to be taken seriously. I
still believe that, and for you to say otherwise is somewhat insulting.
Insulting to the intelligence of us and those you say that to.

Robert Lee

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (5.1)=============
From:Natalie Bodrova.
Subject:How do YOU send out group mail?

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (6.1)=============
From:Cheryl A. Crossan
Subject:Long Road to Success

I would like to respond to Seqkat and Geoff's interaction. To tell someone
they can't have an online business for very little cost is just plain
inaccurate. I started my own ezine, NetSteals News with one subscriber and
very little knowledge. It's all about free and low cost services. That was
last June and I have over 650 now, none of them paid for. I started my own
website, with free FrontPage Express although I did
buy the domain name. I'm still with a free host that is terrific, but will
be moving because I'm now in a position that I'm starting my own hosting
company with a partner, . We put together website
packages that are designed in FrontPage by me for people unsure of how to
get a site online. They have ready-to-sell ebooks on them, paid membership
into a program for more products, a domain name, 3 months free hosting, 50
megs of space and 1 gig transfer,
 We are going to make very little money on them, but it goes along with
my original idea that you can have your own business for little or no
cost. However, my point is, I started for free and I'm making money. I
don't think I could have done it any faster with paid resources simply
because it takes time, not money to build up a list and business. I have
one sub I'm working with right now who was recommended to a particular
site to start her own website and paid $45.00 for the domain name for two
years, and is being charged approximately $160.00 a year for hosting. And,
she has a blank site because she doesn't know how to build a website yet.
There's a lot to learn about having a business online and to pay for some
of these resources before you have time to learn what works is throwing
away your money. So, in less than a year I've gone from one subscriber to
my own hosting company, ezine and two websites and I did it using free and
very low cost resources. I've never paid for advertising until I was
already making money, and I paid for a pay-per-click campaign for my
website. Anyone can start a business online if they find good products
they want to sell, and are willing to put in the work. The most important
thing necessary to starting a business on or offline is to like what you
do. Sincerely, Cheryl A. Crossan

Cheryl A. Crossan is the publisher of NetSteals News, helping people start
and run a site for little or no cost. She is also the owner of and



===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (6.2)=============
From:Audra Gehrke
Subject:Long Road to Success

Hi Bogdan and Everyone!

In response to everyone's replies about this
topic, I would like to agree with Seqkat when
he said:

"I really felt compelled to respond to this, as I
don't want any newbies losing heart, hope or faith -
thinking they can't make it online, because they
don't have the income."

I agree 100% with you Seqkat. Being a newbie online
certainly has it's dis-advantages but if someone is
willing to go that extra mile to learn the business,
it can be done whether starting for free or not.

If I would have had start-up money I probably would
have wasted it on the so called "Guru Secrets". I'm
actually glad I was broke in the beginning because
that gave me the time to teach myself how to do
online business correctly.

To you newbies out there, if you want it bad enough
you'll do everything you can to get it. Yes you can
get started for free. Then when you learn correctly
how to do business, that's when you start investing
in yourself and your business.

Yes your family will probably tell you that you'll
never get nowhere but all you have to do is let that
go in one ear and out the other. It's about you and
what you want so don't listen to anyone who says
anything negative. If you believe in it you can make
it happen.

Keep a positive attitude everyday, learn something
new everyday, then put it into Action. I see so many
people who learn so much but they just sit on it.
If you want to get started you have to take Action.

And quit believing all of the hype because it's
simply not true. It is going to take a lot of your
time and dedication if you want it to work but it
is definitely possible. It's really about how bad do
you want it I think.

And most important of all....Ask Your Questions!
There are plenty of people willing to help if only
you just ask for it.

Best Wishes,

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (6.3)=============
From:William Jaroske
Subject:Long Road to Success

Well, this problem has become an epidemic where thousands are duped,
scammed, and lied to every day.

Claire Solt,
Your right about picking a product and using tools but saying use the
tools they been tested. Alot of them are mass Free for All site link farm
submitting and we all know what that brings.

Your right about picking a sponsor and doing diligence work. But you also
need to check if the plan is a deemed scam. A good research on will do alot for you.

Amalia Sotiriadou said,
" There are basically two ways to make alot of money on the net: 1 By being
the owner of an MLM and 2. By building an opt-in list. Period."

That really shows the shallowness of business owners by making an
outrageous statement like that. It shows you careless about anything else
but building your own dictatorship. What untalent you have.

Holly Kluas said,

"I am not sure exactly what your problem is, if got up on the wrong side of
the bed, it happens!"


As I think, Your probably think I am bi-polar too But who really cares
about petty stuff like that.

First of all. A business takes alot more than one year to really get
going. And you say you can help me. What sell an ezine that is $8 to $12 a
pop. I think the zine has very little value since their are only 500 or so
promoting that you state, I do know the difference between 500 and 24,000 if
you know what I am talking about. The Adland digest has 24,000 or so
subscribers so I don't think you can help much but if people just like
selling stuff that is not that in value. Knock yourself out. But let me
tell you I don't sign up with things just to get such and such on every

John Olson said,

" But don't knock us for telling that real domain, a paid host and
building a mailing list will help them out"

John, If you read last week's issue. You see I was not the only one
addressing a real dilemma. you might recall what Elizabeth Piotrowski
stated in the last issue.

By viewing Andy Sparks comments. He it seems fascinated by this shift that
you present. The only difference I see is that you quit a few deemed
scams. You still promote the free things that are worthless, still in
Going Platinum, Build Referrals and other crap. Well I stopped promoting
those garbage long ago along with Cash Evolution. But wait, we haven't
heard the last of that It's come back to life or back from the dead as I
call it. And look what expert is giving a thumbs up. Mark Joyner That's

Andy Sparks also states that Robert Lee has not changed is tune. I say,
why should he. Some interesting development are in store.

William Jaroske

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===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (7.1)=============
From:Robert Lee
Subject:Advice from Me to You

Claire Solt makes a very good point and it bears repeating:
But before you jump in and start selling, do some due diligence. Talk to
some people, call the company and the person who wants to be your sponsor.
Find out if the company is stable and pays. Find out if the sponsor really
knows the program. If you like the program, product, and company, look for
a very good sponsor, not just anyone. Also, make sure you will get
complete contact information on your customers or signups, so you can get
to know them.
End Quote.

How many readers today could have saved a few dollars, a few hundred, a
few thousand, just by doing their own research and not relying on the
person cashing their membership check to be truthful?

Robert Lee

-------------------------------------------------------------------- - fighting online business ignorance since 1999


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (7.2)=============
From:John Olson
Subject:Advice from Me to You


Thank you for your comments about my post in Adland #333. I think what you
have added is also valuable. You made this comment:

I would like to dispute the idea that "we cannot sell."
Sales is something you can learn, and there are lots of sales trainers. I
have personally trained thousands of people to sell.

You are right of course. Most people can be taught to sell. Some will be
better at it then others. But I was speaking to the vast majority that
won't take the time to learn. And the few who won't be as good as some. It
seems in this hurry up world, we all want what we want right now. But you
and I know that it doesn't work that way in real life.

That's one of the reasons I wrote what I did. Wouldn't you agree that a
Newbie will be much better off and be able to sell better, if the product
or service they choose to market is one which they are excited about, that
they actually use and like?

This gives them the edge. When I was in sales, one of the things we talked
about and tried to drum into the beginners heads was to be excited about
what they were offering when they made their presentation. You are right,
this is something that can be taught and learned.

But, let me play with an example. I am an Actor and I think a good one. To
be a good Actor you Must be sincere and believable. Once you can Fake
that, you are on your way.

It's much the same with selling, once you can fake being excited about
what you are selling, half the battle is won. But just as not everyone is
a good Actor or can even be taught to be, not everyone can really get the
hang of being a good sales person.

So, to get that "Excited about your offer" edge going, I think it's best
to go with products or services you are Really Excited about. Then you
don't have to learn to Fake it. It's real and people will be drawn to

If you put real excitement together with some solid sales training, you
will be almost unstoppable.

John Olson

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Let Me, Help You.


===========C o n t i n u i n g D i s c u s s i o n (8.1)=============
From:John Olson
Subject:An Internet marketer grows or goes away


Thank you for using me as an example in Adland #334.

You definitely gave me something to think about. As we go on the
"journey," we often don't notice how much we've changed. We are right in
the middle of it and can't see what has happened to how we are thinking.

I don't think I was as bad as some with the get Rich Quick stuff, but then
I was in the middle and maybe didn't notice. Now that I think back, I was
pretty caught up in it all.

You brought up GP and I do remember thinking when I first joined and read
some of the posts on the old boards, where people were talking about how
much they were going to make. And how great GP was going to be. And
thinking to myself, "They are really out of it, this thing hasn't even
launched yet, and they are already counting the cash."

After a while, I got caught up in it too. I won't go into what I think of
GP now, we've had enough discussions about it in the past. But one thing I
have learned over the years and come to realize, "Not to count on anything
happening until it happens."

And not to count on anyone but myself to build my business.

I remember when I was doing sales and just starting, I was talking with
the guys, after work one night, who had been at it for a while, about
different things I was into and some personal stuff. Suddenly they stopped
me and said, "John, if you can talk just like that when you make your
presentation, you will be a Top Salesman in no time."

And they were right. All I had to do was be my self and speak from the
heart. And that is what I have been doing the last few months. I recently
dropped out of CASHevolution, even though I was making some money with it,
because I joined for the Wrong reasons. I bought into the Hype put out by
BuildReferrals and jumped on board. I joined for the money, and not the

I defended CE here and other places. I still think that if it had been
handled better, for the right person, it could have been a good program.
But there is just to much water under the bridge now. I just could NOT get
excited about the product, reading the information they provided monthly
as Courses, put me to sleep. I wasn't interested in what they had to
offer. So, I dropped out.

Now, some of you might go to my main site and see there is still a page
about CE on it. I left that up on purpose. I changed the text and
explained why I dropped out. I changed the link to the Corporate site,
taking out my ID. The page explains the rest. I keep it there as a
reminder to myself, to NEVER join something just for the money.

But the point is, I learned from that lesson and other costly mistakes
that joining something for the Money and not the Product or Service, was
not going to get me anywhere.

Now, there is a Downline Club which has been building and building it's
membership to join some, Secret "Earnings Program." That Downline Club is
OWL. People have been spending money promoting this, not even knowing what
Program they were going to be asked to join.

Just to see what it was going to be, I joined on a lark. It was free and I
wanted to know if they were going to offer something useful. I never spent
a dime promoting it, the sign ups I got were from my mailing list. And I
told them when I wrote them about it, that I was not necessarily going to
join the "Earnings Program" but that once it was launched I would look it
over and give them my honest opinion of whether it was worth it. I even
told one of the owners the same thing when I wrote him back after asking
some questions about it, before I joined. It's funny, if I were him, I
would have written me back and said, "That's fine John, do what you want,
but I am sure you are going to Love the program we are joining," but I
never heard back.

Well, guess WHAT the "Earnings Program" was/is? CASHevolution.

Now, there were over 20,000 people who had joined OWL after me in this
Single Line downline. That's 20,000 people who will be asked to join CE
after me. But I am not joining again. "Been there, done that, won't go

And that is basically what I told the people who joined OWL with me. That,
and a little of why I dropped CE in the first place.

To my way of thinking, this was a bad move on OWL's part. CE is damaged
goods, and a lot of OWL members who have written me, are more then a
little upset about it.
I could say more about what I think of OWL and the motives behind picking
CE, but I won't. It's their little program, and they can do with it what
they want.

Just goes to show what I decided a while back, Downline Clubs are for
Dreamers and should be avoided at all costs. I signed up on the off chance
they would have something I would want... I should have known better...

I have grown and will continue to grow. I thank you Andy for noticing.

John Olson

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==============N e w P o s t i n g  (1)=============
From:Jerry Combs
Subject:Free Downline Club

Has anyone looked at the Free Downline Club?
What's your take on it?

Jerry Combs



==============N e w P o s t i n g  (2)=============
From:Heidi Pritchard
Subject:Help with advertising my product

I need to promote my product but am not having much luck in implementing
my website (mainly downloading images of my own onto my website) and
getting the pertinent information out to the general public and business
buyers! I have a very unique product that almost everyone with a toilet
will appreciate and can use! I need marketing assistance to get the
information out and begin making sales! I am set up to accept all major
credit cards yet cannot figure out how to make "real time processing"
available from my site! If anyone can help, please feel free. I am on a
very tight budget at the moment, but I am sure that my product will sell
and my advertising budget will dramatically increase once sales commence!
Please help if you can. Thank you to all members for any assistance

Heidi Pritchard

Odor Free toilet Seat Adapter


==============N e w P o s t i n g  (3)=============
From:Natalie Bodrova.
Subject:I am not getting every issue of the News Letter

To John Olson,

I am not getting every issue of the News Letter, like you, too.
I have missed 3 issues of ADLANDS'   DIGEST.

The Adland newsletter is really an important to me.

Best regards,

Natalie Bodrova.


==============N e w P o s t i n g  (4)=============
From:Robert Williams
Subject:Free Advertising?

Does anyone know where I can
get ideas for promoting my website
effectively for FREE?

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=====================Site Review Response  (1)===============
From:SkyDon Fletcher

Hello Franklin,

My quick history:
I have been selling information online on how to create your own aviation
security patrol, an offline business that I have successfully operated
since 1983. I market it to those into I am. :) I only
market it online, with free and pay classifieds, aviation forums post,
aviation link websites and paid banners. My 1st year cost me nothing
other than my time. In the last 3 years has grown slowly threw my
persistence and willingness to drop the $ it earned back into it. I have
been is sales all my life and I know its a simple process. You explain the
benefits, ask for the order and overcome objections. A good salesman only
helps another to get what want, desire or need.

My Review:
Yours is an excellent site! Its a cool, but simple product! You explain
the benefits, ask for the order and over come objections. Your site does
that and its pretty straight forward and simple! I love that in a webpage!

But I do have a few suggestions.

1. Your cool Logo on the lower left (that is very coolly linked to the
order page) ought to be on the top of the page. Down the road if you use
banner ads...your logo will identify you and your product.

2. Your link "BUY Spepper Now!" ought to be to be added under the
testimonial on your main page. 'Buy Spepper Now' is a great way to ask for
the order and it does not hurt to use it more. You might even try other
closing lines like "Clic here to order your Spepper" or even "To order
click here" Put those "asking for the order" on every page of your
site..maybe 2-3 times each.

3. A shopping cart is great, but you might consider giving your customers
a choice to pay. I suggest a 'Payment Choice Page" Offer the shopping
cart, Paypal, maybe StormPal (I have just heard about it at Brogdons) and
a printable order form for personal cks. I get most my online sales from
my 'order form" and I think all webpages ought offer a plain printable
order form.

4. In terms of marketing, you did not talk about it. I'd suggest that you
try get your link on as many other webpages as possible via forums,
classifieds, banners and links. And also to make a "link page" where you
link to everyone of those that link to to you. If you are linked and link
to others it really helps in the search engines. Marketing goes much
deeper to really get the numbers...but I'm mostly suggesting website layout

Really, I think you have done a great job with your site. I'd move the
logo to the top of everypage and add other ways to pay.

Good Luck!

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=====================Site Review Response  (2)===============
From:Curtis Hunter

I haven't made a response in here for quite awhile now, so I thought it
was time.

Hey Frnklin,
I checked out you sons site about the "Spepper" and it looks quite good
for a basic site.
They could use an actual title or banner bar at the top, instead of just
the picture of the product. A lot of surfers don't have pictures turned on
in their browsers.
I think they should have the costing of the product under the "BUY Spepper
Now" link, instead of under the "What is Spepper" link. Then have them go
to the shopping cart through a link on the "Buy Spepper Now"  page.
The other problem I noticed is when you go to the shopping cart section,
there is no way to return to the site other than getting out of the
shopping cart and typing the web address into the browser.

Hope I won't to mean, and good luck with the site.

Curtis Hunter



=====================Site Review Response  (3)===============
From:Jennifer Holman

Franklin, I visited the Spepper site and took a look at it from the
consumer point of view.  I was initially impressed with the site.  For a
single product, there is no need for a complicated web site.  It was easy
to navigate through.  It was simple yet professional in appearance.  I
only have a few suggestions.

Two pages have the same photo.  That's not really a problem except I
wasn't sure at first that I had actually accessed a different page.

The photos with the news paper have a well known Music Star clearly
visible.  This could cause legal problems with implied endorsement.  I
understand that he was just a photo on the newspaper but, it just didn't
quite feel right.  Anyway, what about people who have a negative
impression about that particular star.  If a newspaper is to used in an
advertisement photo, it may be better to avoid any recognizable names
and/or pictures.

And, the last thing: Why the seductive attempt?  What is the target
audience?  Is it primarily male, small business owners?  As a woman,
shopping for my family, my first instinct was "What? Where does that fit
in?  What does a salt and pepper combination have to do with attracting
people for the purpose of sex?  This is salt and pepper not Victoria's
Secret!"  I don't mean to sound so harsh but, that was my honest knee-jerk
reaction.  If I had actually been shopping for the product, I may have
stopped right there, as a wife and mom, and clicked on to something else.
I stayed because you asked for people to look it over though, I had lost

I think the guys have a fairly effective and informative site.  Just a few
adjustments would bring it close to perfection.

Jennifer Holman


=====================Site Review Response  (4)===============
From:Robert Lee

Hi Franklin Banker. I took a look at your site and this is what I think: and other pages has
"restaurants" misspelled on them.

For a website that is selling spice, the layout and minimum of graphics
makes for a rather bland website.

I would suggest this:
where you have the work "Spepper" in text, create graphics of varying
sizes to use instead. That will brighten up the blandest text lines and
draw the visitors eye around the page.

How about some "before and after" pictures of meals?
The "before" would be in black and white, the "after" in color.

Otherwise, your site is geared to sell and that's a good thing. The
navigation flows well (except for the typo), the colors used are not too
harsh. The site is viewable equally well at 800x600 and 1024x768 screen
resolutions and Netscape, Mozilla and Internet Explorer browsers.

You may just want to make it more "menu-ish", if you understand me.

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=====================Site Review Response  (5)===============
From:Robert Lee

Well Donna, I can say that I've seen other affiliate sites and yours is
on the top of the heap.
So many affiliate links and so little time, right?

Please, please please... I've said this a million times if I've said it
once. Pick a program and develop your site around it. Including the
overused front page template, I've seen your site in thousands of
different configurations.
But usually they are the same page size throughout the site, not like
yours with fixed tables on one page and variable sized on others.
I'm sure you eagerly check your traffic stats and affiliate programs for
possible sales regularly and wonder where you went wrong. If you do,
please re-read this review.

At least your site has good navigation. And no typos that I saw.

Robert Lee

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=====================Site Review Response  (6)===============
From:Maxine Cancemi

Hi, Donna

I think it's great that you're so creative - and have  so many ideas. But
I'm afraid that you totally overestimate the attention span of the average
web surfer.

Your ideas are so well organized - that it should be easy to turn them
into a dozen websites - each with its own theme.

You seem to want to be everything to everyone - but there's no unifying

I clicked on a few areas - but quickly became overwhelmed. Think of what
your reader wants - at a particular time - marketing - or spirituality -
or shopping - or computer assistance - or something for the children. Just

Once you decide on a theme - have a targeted description which will appeal
to a reader with something specific in mind (it could be a "sales" letter,
but it certainly doesn't have to be). Then draw the reader into your
site - give them compelling reasons to stay - but don't overloaded them.

I really like your graphic design - simple, uncluttered, good choice of

Good luck!

Maxine Cancemi

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=====================Site Review Response  (7)===============
From:John Olson


You have done a fine job putting this together. It's a nice clean site,
loads quick and it's to the point. Pass the Spepper... Please....

The colors are nice and it looks good.

The only thing that bothered me a little, until I realized what was
happening. Was the way you coded the navigation bar to move the Page Title
that we are on to the top of the list. I kept thinking that I was on the
wrong page. But maybe that's because I'm just tired.

Other then that, it's a lean, "not" mean, selling machine of a site. If
you ever add a links page, let me know if I can exchange with you.

Salt and Pepper in the same bottle... fun idea. Reminds me of an idea I
had years ago to build napkin rings with salt and pepper inside them.
Never did anything with it though.

When my friends and I use to go camping, I mixed a lot of seasoning
together in one container. We called it simply, "THE Spice." I am thinking
ahead for you.

Good luck with Spepper.....

John Olson

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Let Me Help You.


=====================Joke of the Day   (1)===============

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An elderly lady did her shopping and upon return found 4 males in her
car. She dropped her shopping bags and drew her handgun, proceeding to
scream at them at the top of her voice that she knows how to use it and
that she will if get out of the car! The 4 men didn't wait around
for a second invitation but got out and ran like mad, where upon the lady
proceeded to load her shopping bags into the back of the car and got into the
drivers seat. Small problem: her key wouldn't fit the ignition. Her car was
identical and parked four or five spaces further down. She reloaded her bags
into her car and drove to the police station. The sergeant that she told the
story to nearly tore himself in two with laughter and pointed to the
other end of the counter where 4 pale white males were reporting a car jacking
by a mad elderly white woman ... no charges were filed.



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